From frers-list@lists.frers33.com  Sat Jan 10 12:44:33 2009
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (rod stright)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 08:44:33 -0400
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Polars
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Does anyone have a copy of the polars for the Frers 33 they could make available?

Regards
Rod 

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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com  Sun Jan 11 00:22:57 2009
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Jim Mormile)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:22:57 -0500
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Polars
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Hi Rod I have a copy of the polars on my boat that I could copy and send to 
you at some point in the future. Did have them at home but a hard drive 
crash ended that. Jim (More Magic)
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> Does anyone have a copy of the polars for the Frers 33 they could make 
> available?
>
> Regards
> Rod
> 


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From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rich Peirce)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:06:56 -0500
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Polars
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Jim,

Would you mind sending me a copy as well.

Thanks
Rich

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Jim Mormile <jim.mormile@snet.net> wrote:

> Hi Rod I have a copy of the polars on my boat that I could copy and send to
> you at some point in the future. Did have them at home but a hard drive
> crash ended that. Jim (More Magic)
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "rod stright" <strightr@eastlink.ca>
> To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:44 AM
> Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Polars
>
>
> Does anyone have a copy of the polars for the Frers 33 they could make
>> available?
>>
>> Regards
>> Rod
>>
>>
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<div>Jim,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Would you mind sending me a copy as well.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div>Rich<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Jim Mormile <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jim.mormile@snet.net">jim.mormile@snet.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi Rod I have a copy of the polars on my boat that I could copy and send to you at some point in the future. Did have them at home but a hard drive crash ended that. Jim (More Magic)<br>
----- Original Message ----- From: &quot;rod stright&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:strightr@eastlink.ca" target="_blank">strightr@eastlink.ca</a>&gt;<br>To: &lt;<a href="mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com" target="_blank">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a>&gt;<br>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:44 AM<br>Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Polars 
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Does anyone have a copy of the polars for the Frers 33 they could make available?<br><br>Regards<br>Rod<br>
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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com  Sun Jan 11 04:37:10 2009
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (FRANCIS ALBERT)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:37:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Polars
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and me.
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To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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Jim,
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Would you mind sending me a copy as well.
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Thanks
Rich


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Hi Rod I have a copy of the polars on my boat that I could copy and send to=
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ash ended that. Jim (More Magic)
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Regards
Rod


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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Frank Albert</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 1/10/09, Rich Peirce <I>&lt;rich.peirce@gmail.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Rich Peirce &lt;rich.peirce@gmail.com&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Polars<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 8:06 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Jim,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Would you mind sending me a copy as well.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks</DIV>
<DIV>Rich<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Jim Mormile <SPAN dir=ltr>&lt;<A href="mailto:jim.mormile@snet.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow>jim.mormile@snet.net</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi Rod I have a copy of the polars on my boat that I could copy and send to you at some point in the future. Did have them at home but a hard drive crash ended that. Jim (More Magic)<BR>----- Original Message ----- From: "rod stright" &lt;<A href="mailto:strightr@eastlink.ca" target=_blank rel=nofollow>strightr@eastlink.ca</A>&gt;<BR>To: &lt;<A href="mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>frers-list@lists.frers33.com</A>&gt;<BR>Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:44 AM<BR>Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Polars 
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Does anyone have a copy of the polars for the Frers 33 they could make available?<BR><BR>Regards<BR>Rod<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV>_______________________________________________<BR>frers-list mailing list<BR><A href="mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>frers-list@lists.frers33.com</A><BR><A href="http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table>
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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com  Tue Jan 13 23:32:39 2009
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (rod stright)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:32:39 -0400
Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door
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Hi Guys,

Need to replace the head door.  Unfortunately there is not one there to go by.  Judging from the track it is a sliding door.  Does anyone happen to have a photo of one or can you provide a good description.  I assume it is simply a 1/2" piece of teak plywood with a mortised in latch but I'm not sure having never seen one.  I doubt there is any frame around it but can't be sure as it could be a thin panel door.

Rod Stright
902-444-0016
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2>Need to replace the head door.&nbsp; 
Unfortunately there is not one there to go by.&nbsp; Judging from the track it 
is a sliding door.&nbsp; Does anyone happen to have a photo of one or can you 
provide a good description.&nbsp; I assume it is simply a 1/2" piece of teak 
plywood with a mortised in latch but I'm not sure having never seen one.&nbsp; I 
doubt there is any frame around it but can't be sure as it could be a thin panel 
door.</FONT></DIV>
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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com  Tue Jan 13 23:43:07 2009
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Neal Melanson)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:43:07 -0500
Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door
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Hello Rod, Did you get yourself a new boat?

Neal




On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 6:32 PM, rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca> wrote:

>  Hi Guys,
>
> Need to replace the head door.  Unfortunately there is not one there to go
> by.  Judging from the track it is a sliding door.  Does anyone happen to
> have a photo of one or can you provide a good description.  I assume it is
> simply a 1/2" piece of teak plywood with a mortised in latch but I'm not
> sure having never seen one.  I doubt there is any frame around it but can't
> be sure as it could be a thin panel door.
>
> Rod Stright
> 902-444-0016
> 902-209-0829(C)
>

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<div>Hello Rod, Did you get yourself a new boat?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Neal</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 6:32 PM, rod stright <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:strightr@eastlink.ca">strightr@eastlink.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font color="#000080" size="2">Hi Guys,</font></div>
<div><font color="#000080" size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color="#000080" size="2">Need to replace the head door.&nbsp; Unfortunately there is not one there to go by.&nbsp; Judging from the track it is a sliding door.&nbsp; Does anyone happen to have a photo of one or can you provide a good description.&nbsp; I assume it is simply a 1/2&quot; piece of teak plywood with a mortised in latch but I&#39;m not sure having never seen one.&nbsp; I doubt there is any frame around it but can&#39;t be sure as it could be a thin panel door.</font></div>

<div><font color="#000080" size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div><font color="#888888">
<div><font color="#000080" size="2">Rod Stright<br>902-444-0016<br>902-209-0829(C)</font></div></font></div></blockquote></div><br>

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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com  Thu Jan 15 04:20:21 2009
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (frers-list@lists.frers33.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:20:21 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door
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Rod,
 
I am almost positive it is a thin paneled door - think of the weight savings!  Afraid I don't have any pics, but will probably open the boat up in March.  If you don't have better info by then, remind me at the end of March and I'll try to get as much info to you as possible.
 
Hmm, does it have a latch?  Frankly I don't remember there being one.  Door's closed - stay out!
 
Art

----- Original Message -----
From: rod stright 
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:35 pm
Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com

> Hi Guys,
> 
> Need to replace the head door. Unfortunately there is not one 
> there to go by. Judging from the track it is a sliding door. 
> Does anyone happen to have a photo of one or can you provide a 
> good description. I assume it is simply a 1/2" piece of teak 
> plywood with a mortised in latch but I'm not sure having never 
> seen one. I doubt there is any frame around it but can't be 
> sure as it could be a thin panel door.
> 
> Rod Stright
> 902-444-0016
> 902-209-0829(C)
> 

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<DIV>Rod,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I am almost positive it is a thin paneled door - think of the weight savings!&nbsp; Afraid I don't have any pics, but will probably open the boat up in March.&nbsp; If you don't have better info by then, remind me at the end of March and I'll try to get as much info to you as possible.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Hmm, does it have a latch?&nbsp; Frankly I don't remember there being one.&nbsp; Door's closed - stay out!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Art<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: rod stright&nbsp;<STRIGHTR@EASTLINK.CA><BR>Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:35 pm<BR>Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>&gt; Hi Guys,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Need to replace the head door. Unfortunately there is not one <BR>&gt; there to go by. Judging from the track it is a sliding door. <BR>&gt; Does anyone happen to have a photo of one or can you provide a <BR>&gt; good description. I assume it is simply a 1/2" piece of teak <BR>&gt; plywood with a mortised&nbsp;in latch but I'm not sure having never <BR>&gt; seen one. I doubt there is any frame around it but can't be <BR>&gt; sure as it could be a thin panel door.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Rod Stright<BR>&gt; 902-444-0016<BR>&gt; 902-209-0829(C)<BR>&gt; </DIV>

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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com  Thu Jan 15 14:03:35 2009
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dan Boyd)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:03:35 -0500
Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door
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All,

It does have a Perko latch (knob on outside, lever on inside (who cares 
about a lock).

Rod, time to come out of the closet - which boat did you purchase?

Cheers,
DJB


Dan Boyd
Biogen Idec Inc
Tel:  1.617.679.2274
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Rod,
 
I am almost positive it is a thin paneled door - think of the weight 
savings!  Afraid I don't have any pics, but will probably open the boat up 
in March.  If you don't have better info by then, remind me at the end of 
March and I'll try to get as much info to you as possible.
 
Hmm, does it have a latch?  Frankly I don't remember there being one. 
Door's closed - stay out!
 
Art

----- Original Message -----
From: rod stright 
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:35 pm
Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com

> Hi Guys,
> 
> Need to replace the head door. Unfortunately there is not one 
> there to go by. Judging from the track it is a sliding door. 
> Does anyone happen to have a photo of one or can you provide a 
> good description. I assume it is simply a 1/2" piece of teak 
> plywood with a mortised in latch but I'm not sure having never 
> seen one. I doubt there is any frame around it but can't be 
> sure as it could be a thin panel door.
> 
> Rod Stright
> 902-444-0016
> 902-209-0829(C)
> 

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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">All,</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">It does have a Perko latch (knob on
outside, lever on inside (who cares about a lock).</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Rod, time to come out of the closet
- which boat did you purchase?</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Cheers,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">DJB<br>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Dan Boyd<br>
Biogen Idec Inc<br>
Tel: &nbsp;1.617.679.2274<br>
Fax: &nbsp;1.617.679.3599<br>
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<br><font size=3>I am almost positive it is a thin paneled door - think
of the weight savings! &nbsp;Afraid I don't have any pics, but will probably
open the boat up in March. &nbsp;If you don't have better info by then,
remind me at the end of March and I'll try to get as much info to you as
possible.</font>
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<br><font size=3>Hmm, does it have a latch? &nbsp;Frankly I don't remember
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Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:35 pm<br>
Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door<br>
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<br>
&gt; Hi Guys,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Need to replace the head door. Unfortunately there is not one <br>
&gt; there to go by. Judging from the track it is a sliding door. <br>
&gt; Does anyone happen to have a photo of one or can you provide a <br>
&gt; good description. I assume it is simply a 1/2&quot; piece of teak
<br>
&gt; plywood with a mortised in latch but I'm not sure having never <br>
&gt; seen one. I doubt there is any frame around it but can't be <br>
&gt; sure as it could be a thin panel door.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Rod Stright<br>
&gt; 902-444-0016<br>
&gt; 902-209-0829(C)<br>
&gt; </font>
<br>
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From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rich Peirce)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:10:58 -0500
Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door
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I have the same setup

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Dan Boyd <dan.boyd@biogenidec.com> wrote:

>
> All,
>
> It does have a Perko latch (knob on outside, lever on inside (who cares
> about a lock).
>
> Rod, time to come out of the closet - which boat did you purchase?
>
> Cheers,
> DJB
>
>
> Dan Boyd
> Biogen Idec Inc
> Tel:  1.617.679.2274
> Fax:  1.617.679.3599
>
>
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> Rod,
>
> I am almost positive it is a thin paneled door - think of the weight
> savings!  Afraid I don't have any pics, but will probably open the boat up
> in March.  If you don't have better info by then, remind me at the end of
> March and I'll try to get as much info to you as possible.
>
> Hmm, does it have a latch?  Frankly I don't remember there being one.
>  Door's closed - stay out!
>
> Art
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rod stright
> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:35 pm
> Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
>
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Need to replace the head door. Unfortunately there is not one
> > there to go by. Judging from the track it is a sliding door.
> > Does anyone happen to have a photo of one or can you provide a
> > good description. I assume it is simply a 1/2" piece of teak
> > plywood with a mortised in latch but I'm not sure having never
> > seen one. I doubt there is any frame around it but can't be
> > sure as it could be a thin panel door.
> >
> > Rod Stright
> > 902-444-0016
> > 902-209-0829(C)
> >
>

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I have the same setup<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Dan Boyd <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dan.boyd@biogenidec.com">dan.boyd@biogenidec.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">All,</font> <br><br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">It does have a Perko latch (knob on outside, lever on inside (who cares about a lock).</font> <br>
<br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">Rod, time to come out of the closet - which boat did you purchase?</font> <br><br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">Cheers,</font> <br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">DJB<br></font><br>
<br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">Dan Boyd<br>Biogen Idec Inc<br>Tel: &nbsp;1.617.679.2274<br>Fax: &nbsp;1.617.679.3599<br></font><br><br><br>
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<p></p></td></p></td></tr></tbody></table><br><br><br><font size="3">Rod,</font> <br><font size="3">&nbsp;</font> <br><font size="3">I am almost positive it is a thin paneled door - think of the weight savings! &nbsp;Afraid I don&#39;t have any pics, but will probably open the boat up in March. &nbsp;If you don&#39;t have better info by then, remind me at the end of March and I&#39;ll try to get as much info to you as possible.</font> <br>
<font size="3">&nbsp;</font> <br><font size="3">Hmm, does it have a latch? &nbsp;Frankly I don&#39;t remember there being one. &nbsp;Door&#39;s closed - stay out!</font> <br><font size="3">&nbsp;</font> <br><font size="3">Art<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>
From: rod stright <br>Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:35 pm<br>Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door<br>To: <a href="mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com" target="_blank">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a><br><br>&gt; Hi Guys,<br>
&gt; <br>&gt; Need to replace the head door. Unfortunately there is not one <br>&gt; there to go by. Judging from the track it is a sliding door. <br>&gt; Does anyone happen to have a photo of one or can you provide a <br>
&gt; good description. I assume it is simply a 1/2&quot; piece of teak <br>&gt; plywood with a mortised in latch but I&#39;m not sure having never <br>&gt; seen one. I doubt there is any frame around it but can&#39;t be <br>
&gt; sure as it could be a thin panel door.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Rod Stright<br>&gt; 902-444-0016<br>&gt; 902-209-0829(C)<br>&gt; </font><br></blockquote></div><br>

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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com  Fri Jan 16 14:12:09 2009
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (rod stright)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:12:09 -0400
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
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Thanks for the response Guys.  I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko latch but no door.  

They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next week.  Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon.  I notice the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114.  How do you guys feel about your rating and what is fair?  My observation from outside the area is that where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly faster since they are competing against similar boats they are probably better tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?

I also notice there a couple of boats with higher rigs around Long Island as I recall.  

Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of boats so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.

May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken, any suggestions.  Also a mainsail cover to get started.

Regards

Rod Stright
902-444-0016
902-209-0829(C)

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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2>Thanks for the response Guys.&nbsp; I have 
purchased Equinox. Found the Perko latch but no door.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2>They will be assigning a rating to the boat up 
here in Nova Scotia next week.&nbsp; Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be 
sailing anytime soon.&nbsp; I notice the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 
114.&nbsp; How do you guys feel about your rating and what is fair?&nbsp; My 
observation from outside the area is that where the boats race or raced 
one-design they are rated slightly faster since they are competing against 
similar boats they are probably better tuned then when they race PHRF they do 
better, where there aren't as many they don't do as well and the rating is 
slower. Correct?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2>I also notice there a&nbsp;couple of boats with 
higher rigs around Long Island as I recall.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2>Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with 
wide cross section of boats so any racing/tuning information would be 
appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2>May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I 
have has been broken, any suggestions.&nbsp; Also a mainsail cover to get 
started.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com  Sat Jan 17 00:08:51 2009
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (FRANCIS ALBERT)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:08:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
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=A0
I've raced PHRF for a long time=A0 i'll send you a note this weekend on wha=
t works and what doesn't.
=A0
Frank

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From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM





Thanks for the response Guys.=A0 I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko =
latch but no door.=A0=20
=A0
They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next wee=
k.=A0 Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon.=A0 I notic=
e the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114.=A0 How do you guys feel a=
bout your rating and what is fair?=A0 My observation from outside the area =
is that where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly fa=
ster since they are competing against similar boats they are probably bette=
r tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many=
 they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?
=A0
I also notice there a=A0couple of boats with higher rigs around Long Island=
 as I recall.=A0=20
=A0
Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of boat=
s so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.
=A0
May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken, any =
suggestions.=A0 Also a mainsail cover to get started.
=A0
Regards
=A0
Rod Stright
902-444-0016
902-209-0829(C)
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I've raced PHRF for a long time&nbsp; i'll send you a note this weekend on what works and what doesn't.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Frank<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 1/16/09, rod stright <I>&lt;strightr@eastlink.ca&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: rod stright &lt;strightr@eastlink.ca&gt;<BR>Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2>Thanks for the response Guys.&nbsp; I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko latch but no door.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2>They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next week.&nbsp; Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon.&nbsp; I notice the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114.&nbsp; How do you guys feel about your rating and what is fair?&nbsp; My observation from outside the area is that where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly faster since they are competing against similar boats they are probably better tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2>I also notice there a&nbsp;couple of boats with higher rigs around Long Island as I recall.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2>Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of boats so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2>May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken, any suggestions.&nbsp; Also a mainsail cover to get started.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2>Rod Stright<BR>902-444-0016<BR>902-209-0829(C)</FONT></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table>
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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com  Sat Jan 17 00:17:13 2009
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (William Rusconi)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:17:13 -0700
Subject: [frers-list]RE: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #279 - 7 msgs
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Looking into the head, my door is hinged on the right with a locking
latch on the left, it opens out (of course) and the latch frequently
snags sail/spin bags as they are moved in and out of the v-berth.  There
is actually some nice trim around the frame which, like the door as
probably marine plywood.  I will check to see if I have any pictures.=20

Bill Rusconi
Impetuous, USA 51284
Bear Lake, Utah

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Today's Topics:

   1. Head Sliding Door (rod stright)
   2. Re: Head Sliding Door (Neal Melanson)
   3. Re: Head Sliding Door (akelley@optonline.net)
   4. Re: Head Sliding Door (Dan Boyd)
   5. Re: Head Sliding Door (Rich Peirce)
   6. Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc. (rod stright)
   7. Re: Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc. (FRANCIS ALBERT)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:32:39 -0400
From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door
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Hi Guys,

Need to replace the head door.  Unfortunately there is not one there to
go by.  Judging from the track it is a sliding door.  Does anyone happen
to have a photo of one or can you provide a good description.  I assume
it is simply a 1/2" piece of teak plywood with a mortised in latch but
I'm not sure having never seen one.  I doubt there is any frame around
it but can't be sure as it could be a thin panel door.

Rod Stright
902-444-0016
902-209-0829(C)

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Need to replace the head door.&nbsp; =

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:43:07 -0500
From: "Neal Melanson" <neal.melanson@gmail.com>
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door
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Hello Rod, Did you get yourself a new boat?

Neal




On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 6:32 PM, rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
wrote:

>  Hi Guys,
>
> Need to replace the head door.  Unfortunately there is not one there
to go
> by.  Judging from the track it is a sliding door.  Does anyone happen
to
> have a photo of one or can you provide a good description.  I assume
it is
> simply a 1/2" piece of teak plywood with a mortised in latch but I'm
not
> sure having never seen one.  I doubt there is any frame around it but
can't
> be sure as it could be a thin panel door.
>
> Rod Stright
> 902-444-0016
> 902-209-0829(C)
>

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<div>Hello Rod, Did you get yourself a new boat?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Neal</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 6:32 PM, rod stright
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a
href=3D"mailto:strightr@eastlink.ca">strightr@eastlink.ca</a>&gt;</span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: =
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<div><font color=3D"#000080" size=3D"2">Hi Guys,</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#000080" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div>
<div><font color=3D"#000080" size=3D"2">Need to replace the head =
door.&nbsp;
Unfortunately there is not one there to go by.&nbsp; Judging from the
track it is a sliding door.&nbsp; Does anyone happen to have a photo of
one or can you provide a good description.&nbsp; I assume it is simply a
1/2&quot; piece of teak plywood with a mortised in latch but I&#39;m not
sure having never seen one.&nbsp; I doubt there is any frame around it
but can&#39;t be sure as it could be a thin panel door.</font></div>

<div><font color=3D"#000080" size=3D"2"></font>&nbsp;</div><font
color=3D"#888888">
<div><font color=3D"#000080" size=3D"2">Rod
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:20:21 +0000 (GMT)
From: akelley@optonline.net
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Rod,
=20
I am almost positive it is a thin paneled door - think of the weight
savings!  Afraid I don't have any pics, but will probably open the boat
up in March.  If you don't have better info by then, remind me at the
end of March and I'll try to get as much info to you as possible.
=20
Hmm, does it have a latch?  Frankly I don't remember there being one.
Door's closed - stay out!
=20
Art

----- Original Message -----
From: rod stright=20
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:35 pm
Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com

> Hi Guys,
>=20
> Need to replace the head door. Unfortunately there is not one=20
> there to go by. Judging from the track it is a sliding door.=20
> Does anyone happen to have a photo of one or can you provide a=20
> good description. I assume it is simply a 1/2" piece of teak=20
> plywood with a mortised in latch but I'm not sure having never=20
> seen one. I doubt there is any frame around it but can't be=20
> sure as it could be a thin panel door.
>=20
> Rod Stright
> 902-444-0016
> 902-209-0829(C)
>=20

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<DIV>Rod,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I am almost positive it is a thin paneled door - think of the
weight savings!&nbsp; Afraid I don't have any pics, but will probably
open the boat up in March.&nbsp; If you don't have better info by then,
remind me at the end of March and I'll try to get as much info to you as
possible.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Hmm, does it have a latch?&nbsp; Frankly I don't remember there
being one.&nbsp; Door's closed - stay out!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Art<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: rod
stright&nbsp;<STRIGHTR@EASTLINK.CA><BR>Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009
6:35 pm<BR>Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door<BR>To:
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>&gt; Hi Guys,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Need
to replace the head door. Unfortunately there is not one <BR>&gt; there
to go by. Judging from the track it is a sliding door. <BR>&gt; Does
anyone happen to have a photo of one or can you provide a <BR>&gt; good
description. I assume it is simply a 1/2" piece of teak <BR>&gt; plywood
with a mortised&nbsp;in latch but I'm not sure having never <BR>&gt;
seen one. I doubt there is any frame around it but can't be <BR>&gt;
sure as it could be a thin panel door.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Rod
Stright<BR>&gt; 902-444-0016<BR>&gt; 902-209-0829(C)<BR>&gt; </DIV>

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Subject: Re: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door
From: Dan Boyd <dan.boyd@biogenidec.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:03:35 -0500
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All,

It does have a Perko latch (knob on outside, lever on inside (who cares=20
about a lock).

Rod, time to come out of the closet - which boat did you purchase?

Cheers,
DJB


Dan Boyd
Biogen Idec Inc
Tel:  1.617.679.2274
Fax:  1.617.679.3599




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Rod,
=20
I am almost positive it is a thin paneled door - think of the weight=20
savings!  Afraid I don't have any pics, but will probably open the boat
up=20
in March.  If you don't have better info by then, remind me at the end
of=20
March and I'll try to get as much info to you as possible.
=20
Hmm, does it have a latch?  Frankly I don't remember there being one.=20
Door's closed - stay out!
=20
Art

----- Original Message -----
From: rod stright=20
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:35 pm
Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com

> Hi Guys,
>=20
> Need to replace the head door. Unfortunately there is not one=20
> there to go by. Judging from the track it is a sliding door.=20
> Does anyone happen to have a photo of one or can you provide a=20
> good description. I assume it is simply a 1/2" piece of teak=20
> plywood with a mortised in latch but I'm not sure having never=20
> seen one. I doubt there is any frame around it but can't be=20
> sure as it could be a thin panel door.
>=20
> Rod Stright
> 902-444-0016
> 902-209-0829(C)
>=20

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<br><font size=3D2 face=3D"sans-serif">All,</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D2 face=3D"sans-serif">It does have a Perko latch (knob =
on
outside, lever on inside (who cares about a lock).</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D2 face=3D"sans-serif">Rod, time to come out of the =
closet
- which boat did you purchase?</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D2 face=3D"sans-serif">Cheers,</font>
<br><font size=3D2 face=3D"sans-serif">DJB<br>
</font>
<br>
<br><font size=3D2 face=3D"sans-serif">Dan Boyd<br>
Biogen Idec Inc<br>
Tel: &nbsp;1.617.679.2274<br>
Fax: &nbsp;1.617.679.3599<br>
</font>
<br>
<br>
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<br><font size=3D3>&nbsp;</font>
<br><font size=3D3>I am almost positive it is a thin paneled door - =
think
of the weight savings! &nbsp;Afraid I don't have any pics, but will
probably
open the boat up in March. &nbsp;If you don't have better info by then,
remind me at the end of March and I'll try to get as much info to you as
possible.</font>
<br><font size=3D3>&nbsp;</font>
<br><font size=3D3>Hmm, does it have a latch? &nbsp;Frankly I don't
remember
there being one. &nbsp;Door's closed - stay out!</font>
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<br><font size=3D3>Art<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: rod stright <br>
Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:35 pm<br>
Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door<br>
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<br>
&gt; Hi Guys,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Need to replace the head door. Unfortunately there is not one <br>
&gt; there to go by. Judging from the track it is a sliding door. <br>
&gt; Does anyone happen to have a photo of one or can you provide a <br>
&gt; good description. I assume it is simply a 1/2&quot; piece of teak
<br>
&gt; plywood with a mortised in latch but I'm not sure having never <br>
&gt; seen one. I doubt there is any frame around it but can't be <br>
&gt; sure as it could be a thin panel door.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Rod Stright<br>
&gt; 902-444-0016<br>
&gt; 902-209-0829(C)<br>
&gt; </font>
<br>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:10:58 -0500
From: "Rich Peirce" <rich.peirce@gmail.com>
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door
Cc: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
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I have the same setup

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Dan Boyd <dan.boyd@biogenidec.com>
wrote:

>
> All,
>
> It does have a Perko latch (knob on outside, lever on inside (who
cares
> about a lock).
>
> Rod, time to come out of the closet - which boat did you purchase?
>
> Cheers,
> DJB
>
>
> Dan Boyd
> Biogen Idec Inc
> Tel:  1.617.679.2274
> Fax:  1.617.679.3599
>
>
>
>   *akelley@optonline.net*
> Sent by: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
>
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> frers-list@lists.frers33.com  cc
>   Subject
> Re: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door
>
>
>
>
> Rod,
>
> I am almost positive it is a thin paneled door - think of the weight
> savings!  Afraid I don't have any pics, but will probably open the
boat up
> in March.  If you don't have better info by then, remind me at the end
of
> March and I'll try to get as much info to you as possible.
>
> Hmm, does it have a latch?  Frankly I don't remember there being one.
>  Door's closed - stay out!
>
> Art
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rod stright
> Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:35 pm
> Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
>
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Need to replace the head door. Unfortunately there is not one
> > there to go by. Judging from the track it is a sliding door.
> > Does anyone happen to have a photo of one or can you provide a
> > good description. I assume it is simply a 1/2" piece of teak
> > plywood with a mortised in latch but I'm not sure having never
> > seen one. I doubt there is any frame around it but can't be
> > sure as it could be a thin panel door.
> >
> > Rod Stright
> > 902-444-0016
> > 902-209-0829(C)
> >
>

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I have the same setup<br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Dan Boyd =
<span
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a
href=3D"mailto:dan.boyd@biogenidec.com">dan.boyd@biogenidec.com</a>&gt;</=
s
pan> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: =
0px
0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><br><font =
face=3D"sans-serif"
size=3D"2">All,</font> <br><br><font face=3D"sans-serif" size=3D"2">It =
does
have a Perko latch (knob on outside, lever on inside (who cares about a
lock).</font> <br>
<br><font face=3D"sans-serif" size=3D"2">Rod, time to come out of the =
closet
- which boat did you purchase?</font> <br><br><font face=3D"sans-serif"
size=3D"2">Cheers,</font> <br><font face=3D"sans-serif"
size=3D"2">DJB<br></font><br>
<br><font face=3D"sans-serif" size=3D"2">Dan Boyd<br>Biogen Idec =
Inc<br>Tel:
&nbsp;1.617.679.2274<br>Fax: &nbsp;1.617.679.3599<br></font><br><br><br>
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size=3D"3">Rod,</font> <br><font size=3D"3">&nbsp;</font> <br><font
size=3D"3">I am almost positive it is a thin paneled door - think of the
weight savings! &nbsp;Afraid I don&#39;t have any pics, but will
probably open the boat up in March. &nbsp;If you don&#39;t have better
info by then, remind me at the end of March and I&#39;ll try to get as
much info to you as possible.</font> <br>
<font size=3D"3">&nbsp;</font> <br><font size=3D"3">Hmm, does it have a
latch? &nbsp;Frankly I don&#39;t remember there being one.
&nbsp;Door&#39;s closed - stay out!</font> <br><font
size=3D"3">&nbsp;</font> <br><font size=3D"3">Art<br><br>----- Original
Message -----<br>
From: rod stright <br>Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:35
pm<br>Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door<br>To: <a
href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com"
target=3D"_blank">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a><br><br>&gt; Hi
Guys,<br>
&gt; <br>&gt; Need to replace the head door. Unfortunately there is not
one <br>&gt; there to go by. Judging from the track it is a sliding
door. <br>&gt; Does anyone happen to have a photo of one or can you
provide a <br>
&gt; good description. I assume it is simply a 1/2&quot; piece of teak
<br>&gt; plywood with a mortised in latch but I&#39;m not sure having
never <br>&gt; seen one. I doubt there is any frame around it but
can&#39;t be <br>
&gt; sure as it could be a thin panel door.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Rod
Stright<br>&gt; 902-444-0016<br>&gt; 902-209-0829(C)<br>&gt;
</font><br></blockquote></div><br>

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:12:09 -0400
From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
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Thanks for the response Guys.  I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko
latch but no door. =20

They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next
week.  Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon.  I
notice the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114.  How do you guys
feel about your rating and what is fair?  My observation from outside
the area is that where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated
slightly faster since they are competing against similar boats they are
probably better tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where
there aren't as many they don't do as well and the rating is slower.
Correct?

I also notice there a couple of boats with higher rigs around Long
Island as I recall. =20

Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of
boats so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.

May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken,
any suggestions.  Also a mainsail cover to get started.

Regards

Rod Stright
902-444-0016
902-209-0829(C)

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Thanks for the response Guys.&nbsp; =
I
have=20
purchased Equinox. Found the Perko latch but no door.&nbsp;
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>They will be assigning a rating to =
the
boat up=20
here in Nova Scotia next week.&nbsp; Since it is -25 degrees C I won't
be=20
sailing anytime soon.&nbsp; I notice the ratings vary a bit by area from
108 to=20
114.&nbsp; How do you guys feel about your rating and what is
fair?&nbsp; My=20
observation from outside the area is that where the boats race or raced=20
one-design they are rated slightly faster since they are competing
against=20
similar boats they are probably better tuned then when they race PHRF
they do=20
better, where there aren't as many they don't do as well and the rating
is=20
slower. Correct?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>I also notice there a&nbsp;couple of
boats with=20
higher rigs around Long Island as I recall.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Anyway, I'll be on my own up here =
racing
in with=20
wide cross section of boats so any racing/tuning information would be=20
appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>May need a headstay and foil/furler =
as
the one I=20
have has been broken, any suggestions.&nbsp; Also a mainsail cover to
get=20
started.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:08:51 -0800 (PST)
From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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Rod=3D20
=3DA0
I've raced PHRF for a long time=3DA0 i'll send you a note this weekend =
on
wha=3D
t works and what doesn't.
=3DA0
Frank

--- On Fri, 1/16/09, rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca> wrote:

From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM





Thanks for the response Guys.=3DA0 I have purchased Equinox. Found the
Perko =3D
latch but no door.=3DA0=3D20
=3DA0
They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next
wee=3D
k.=3DA0 Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon.=3DA0 =
I
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area =3D
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fa=3D
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bette=3D
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many=3D
 they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?
=3DA0
I also notice there a=3DA0couple of boats with higher rigs around Long
Island=3D
 as I recall.=3DA0=3D20
=3DA0
Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of
boat=3D
s so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.
=3DA0
May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken,
any =3D
suggestions.=3DA0 Also a mainsail cover to get started.
=3DA0
Regards
=3DA0
Rod Stright
902-444-0016
902-209-0829(C)
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I've raced PHRF for a long time&nbsp; i'll send you a note this
weekend on what works and what doesn't.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Frank<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 1/16/09, rod stright
<I>&lt;strightr@eastlink.ca&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: rod stright
&lt;strightr@eastlink.ca&gt;<BR>Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door
Ratings Etc.<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Friday,
January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv181986542>
<STYLE></STYLE>

<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Thanks for the response Guys.&nbsp; =
I
have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko latch but no door.&nbsp;
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>They will be assigning a rating to =
the
boat up here in Nova Scotia next week.&nbsp; Since it is -25 degrees C I
won't be sailing anytime soon.&nbsp; I notice the ratings vary a bit by
area from 108 to 114.&nbsp; How do you guys feel about your rating and
what is fair?&nbsp; My observation from outside the area is that where
the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly faster since
they are competing against similar boats they are probably better tuned
then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many they
don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>I also notice there a&nbsp;couple of
boats with higher rigs around Long Island as I recall.&nbsp;
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Anyway, I'll be on my own up here =
racing
in with wide cross section of boats so any racing/tuning information
would be appreciated.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>May need a headstay and foil/furler =
as
the one I have has been broken, any suggestions.&nbsp; Also a mainsail
cover to get started.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Rod
Stright<BR>902-444-0016<BR>902-209-0829(C)</FONT></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOT
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From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (rod stright)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:29:44 -0400
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33
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Thanks Francis, would appreciate than.

Regards
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From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Nancy Ogden)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:20:57 -0500
Subject: [frers-list]head door
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 I would be in touch with Hill & Lowden in Marblehead - they have sold many, many Frers 33 and probably have photos of interiors for good pix of HEAD DOOR - Rich Hill is a great guy!

http://www.hilllowden.com/ -

does anyone have a Frers 33 to sell - i made a huge mistake in selling my boat

Nancy Ogden
Campbell & Co. LLC
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<div> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">I would be in touch with Hill &amp; Lowden in Marblehead - they have sold many, many Frers 33 and probably have photos of interiors for good pix of HEAD DOOR - Rich Hill is a great guy!</font><br>
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<br>
does anyone have a Frers 33 to sell - i made a huge mistake in selling my boat<br>
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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com  Sat Jan 17 12:03:09 2009
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Jim Mormile)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:03:09 -0500
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
References: <775354.61187.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3977053EF3D544C8A9894250022EE431@experimental.com>

Frank why don't you make those tips and tricks available to all of us ? 
Thanks    Jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "FRANCIS ALBERT" <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.


Rod

I've raced PHRF for a long time i'll send you a note this weekend on what 
works and what doesn't.

Frank

--- On Fri, 1/16/09, rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca> wrote:

From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM





Thanks for the response Guys. I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko 
latch but no door.

They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next 
week. Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon. I notice 
the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114. How do you guys feel about 
your rating and what is fair? My observation from outside the area is that 
where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly faster 
since they are competing against similar boats they are probably better 
tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many 
they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?

I also notice there a couple of boats with higher rigs around Long Island as 
I recall.

Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of boats 
so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.

May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken, any 
suggestions. Also a mainsail cover to get started.

Regards

Rod Stright
902-444-0016
902-209-0829(C) 


From frers-list@lists.frers33.com  Sat Jan 17 21:20:39 2009
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (FRANCIS ALBERT)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:20:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
In-Reply-To: <3977053EF3D544C8A9894250022EE431@experimental.com>
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Okay, will do.
=A0
I'll preface this with my experience and observations.=A0 First and foremeo=
st are:
=A0
1.=A0 =A0boat, as light as possible.=A0 That means everything that you don'=
t need to have on the boat to race is either in your garage or left on the =
dock.
=A0
=A0
Racing a Frers 33.
=A0
First triming the big head sail.=A0=20

--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Jim Mormile <jim.mormile@snet.net> wrote:

From: Jim Mormile <jim.mormile@snet.net>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 7:03 AM

Frank why don't you make those tips and tricks available to all of us ?=20
Thanks    Jim
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "FRANCIS ALBERT" <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.


Rod

I've raced PHRF for a long time i'll send you a note this weekend on
what=20
works and what doesn't.

Frank

--- On Fri, 1/16/09, rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca> wrote:

From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM





Thanks for the response Guys. I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko=20
latch but no door.

They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next=20
week. Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon. I notice=
=20
the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114. How do you guys feel about=
=20
your rating and what is fair? My observation from outside the area is that=
=20
where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly faster=20
since they are competing against similar boats they are probably better=20
tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many=
=20
they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?

I also notice there a couple of boats with higher rigs around Long Island a=
s=20
I recall.

Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of
boats=20
so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.

May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken, any=
=20
suggestions. Also a mainsail cover to get started.

Regards

Rod Stright
902-444-0016
902-209-0829(C)=20

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<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Okay, will do.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I'll preface this with my experience and observations.&nbsp; First and foremeost are:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>1.&nbsp; &nbsp;boat, as light as possible.&nbsp; That means everything that you don't need to have on the boat to race is either in your garage or left on the dock.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Racing a Frers 33.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>First triming the big head sail.&nbsp; <BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 1/17/09, Jim Mormile <I>&lt;jim.mormile@snet.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Jim Mormile &lt;jim.mormile@snet.net&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 7:03 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Frank why don't you make those tips and tricks available to all of us ? 
Thanks    Jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "FRANCIS ALBERT" &lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&gt;
To: &lt;frers-list@lists.frers33.com&gt;
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.


Rod

I've raced PHRF for a long time i'll send you a note this weekend on
what 
works and what doesn't.

Frank

--- On Fri, 1/16/09, rod stright &lt;strightr@eastlink.ca&gt; wrote:

From: rod stright &lt;strightr@eastlink.ca&gt;
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM





Thanks for the response Guys. I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko 
latch but no door.

They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next 
week. Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon. I notice 
the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114. How do you guys feel about 
your rating and what is fair? My observation from outside the area is that 
where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly faster 
since they are competing against similar boats they are probably better 
tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many 
they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?

I also notice there a couple of boats with higher rigs around Long Island as 
I recall.

Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of
boats 
so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.

May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken, any 
suggestions. Also a mainsail cover to get started.

Regards

Rod Stright
902-444-0016
902-209-0829(C) 

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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com  Sat Jan 17 22:32:14 2009
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (FRANCIS ALBERT)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:32:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
In-Reply-To: <3977053EF3D544C8A9894250022EE431@experimental.com>
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Okay, will do.
=A0
I'll preface this with my experience and observations.=A0 First and foremos=
t are:
=A0
1.=A0=A0=A0Boat, as light as possible.=A0 That means everything that you do=
n't need to have on the boat to race is either in your garage or left on th=
e dock as long as you meet the one design or PHRF rules.=A0 I removed the s=
tove/oven on my Frers and replaced it with an ORGO 2 burner stove.=A0 Saved=
 45 pounds and I meet the PHRF requirement of having a stove.=A0 I don't ra=
ce one design where I am but if I did I would guess I'd have to add weight =
to the boat.=A0 I also removed the table and V-birth door (replaced the V-b=
irth door with a curtain) and I don't race with the V-birth cushions in.
=A0
2.=A0 Bottom is race ready.=A0 That means an ULTRA smooth bottom (which can=
 really only be done if the paint is sprayed on and then wet sanded smooth)=
 and I don't mean kind of smooth, I mean ultra smooth.=A0 The bottom of the=
 boat should be as shiny as the freshly waxed hull.=A0 Also the keel has to=
 be just about perfect.=A0 Pay special attention to the trailing edge which=
 can be damaged by cavitation and get rough and the keel bottom which can b=
e damaged over time by poor blocking.=A0 There is not much to the rear of t=
he keel so placing a block at the rear of the keel can crush down that port=
ion.=A0 Check it and make sure it is smooth and that includes the bottom of=
 the keel, as much as you can get to and feel.=A0 Lastly on the bottom it h=
as to be cleaned by a diver periodically.=A0 I have mine cleaned every othe=
r week here in the Chesapeake bay.
=A0
3.=A0 Sails.=A0 Best you can afford and in excellent condition.=A0 Any sail=
 that's over=A03 years old is no longer a racing sail.=A0 It may look like =
a racing sail but it's not really a racing sail it"s a cruising sail.=A0 Go=
od racing sails are outrageously expensive but they really do make the boat=
 go faster.
=A0
I've raced my Frers 33 for=A06 years and I've been racing for about 18 year=
s.=A0 I've raced the Frers in 0 to 54 knot winds and over 400 miles in abou=
t 150 races in the 4 years I've had the boat.=A0 I have all Kevlar sails, U=
K tape drive main and 140% & 110% Genoas and a=A0North 3DL Kevlar carbon fi=
ber 155% Genoa.=A0Oldest sail is the main sail and 2009 is it's 3rd and las=
t year.
=A0
Crewing:=A0 To race the Frers 33 well you need about 7 people 8 is better.=
=A0=A0Helm, Main Sail, Foredeck,=A0Tactician (owner),=A0=A03 Genoa trimmers=
 and=A0Mast.=A0 When your short folks=A0less Genoa trimmers.
=A0
Sail Trim:
First the boat is tender and=A0it has=A0poor initial stability.=A0 However =
it has excellent ultimate stability.=A0
=A0
In winds of 0 to about 12 or 13=A0knots I use a North 3DL 155% genoa.=A0 Do=
n't pinch and don't overtrim the genoa.=A0 The=A0Frers 33 will respond poor=
ly to both of these.=A0 Ease the genoa just a bit so it can breath and gain=
 boat speed.=A0 The eliptical keel will lift the boat if you provide the sp=
eed.=A0 This may seem counterintutive when other boats are pointing higer b=
ut give it a try.=A0=20
=A0
In 0 to=A04 knots=A0trim the sail to about 4 inches off the lower spreader =
(and not touching the upper spreader) and set the leads so it's the same of=
f the side stays on the deck.=A0 In 5 to 9 knots, full speed triming.=A0 Ab=
out=A01-2 inches off the lower spreader and set the leads so the sail is to=
uching the side stays on the deck.=A0 In 10 knots and above you want the sa=
il about 6 inches off the lower spreader with the lead set way back and the=
 sail touching the side stays when trimed in tight.=A0 In all of these set =
the halyard initially tight, you can always loosen it up if you have vertic=
al wrinkles but it's hard to get horizontal wrinkles out when your sailing.
=A0
Over 12 knots I switch over to my 140% genoa and I use that to about 20 kno=
ts then I switch over to a 110% genoa which is good up to about 28 knots.=
=A0 After 28 knots I start thinking that golf is actually not a bad sport.
=A0
Triming the Main:=A0 Esentially you want the tails on the luff of the main =
flying all the time if possible.=A0 Usually that's not that tough=A0up wind=
.=A0 Down wind it's a challange so who ever the trimer is they should be wo=
rking that sail=A0down wind a bit.=A0=A0As with the genoa set the halyard t=
ight and then add cunningham as necessary to get a good looking sail.=A0 If=
 the main sail looks good it probably is good.=A0=A0With both the cunningha=
m and the outhaul the harder the wind is blowing the more you want on when =
going upwind.=A0=A0Off the wind=A0loosen up the outhaul so you get more bag=
 in the=A0main.=A0 In heavy air=A0ease the traveler first in the puffs and =
if that's not enough ease the sheet until the boat responds.=A0 Then=A0as s=
oon as the puff is past start triming it all back in again.=A0 In heavy air=
 the main trim is CONSTANT.
=A0
Spinnaker.=A0 When you put up the spinnaker that's when the real fun starts=
.=A0 Expect in winds over 10 knots that big sail will be a handful.=A0 Dead=
 down wind the=A0boat wants to death roll very easy.=A0 You must constantly=
 have the pole more forward than normal.=A0 Possibly much more foreward and=
 you must be ready to ease the sheet a lot.=A0 You have to drive the boat t=
o keep=A0it under the sail and pay attention to=A0your steering.=A0 Sooner =
or later you'll broach no matter how well you sail the boat so be ready for=
 that.=A0 To recover from the broach agressively ease the main and the shee=
t on the spinnaker and she will come back then=A0just trim=A0stuff in and a=
way you go.=A0 When reaching the spinnaker trimmer MUST be ready to ease in=
 the=A0puffs.=A0 If they ease agressively=A0and the helmsman steers down a =
bit the boat will accelerate dramatically and you will gain a lot.=A0 If th=
e spinnaker trimmer is a liitle lax and the helmsman is as well, you'll rou=
nd up=A0and
 loose ground so make sure everyone understands what they are supposed to d=
o.
=A0
Position folks on the rail so you have no more than 20 to 25 degrees of hea=
l which will be hard in the bigger winds but do the best you can.
=A0
That's a lot=A0so, for now,=A0I'll stop.
=A0
If you have questions in the future let me know.
=A0
Frank Albert
RELENTLESS 41621=A0

--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Jim Mormile <jim.mormile@snet.net> wrote:

From: Jim Mormile <jim.mormile@snet.net>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 7:03 AM

Frank why don't you make those tips and tricks available to all of us ?=20
Thanks    Jim
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "FRANCIS ALBERT" <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.


Rod

I've raced PHRF for a long time i'll send you a note this weekend on
what=20
works and what doesn't.

Frank

--- On Fri, 1/16/09, rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca> wrote:

From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM





Thanks for the response Guys. I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko=20
latch but no door.

They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next=20
week. Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon. I notice=
=20
the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114. How do you guys feel about=
=20
your rating and what is fair? My observation from outside the area is that=
=20
where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly faster=20
since they are competing against similar boats they are probably better=20
tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many=
=20
they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?

I also notice there a couple of boats with higher rigs around Long Island a=
s=20
I recall.

Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of
boats=20
so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.

May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken, any=
=20
suggestions. Also a mainsail cover to get started.

Regards

Rod Stright
902-444-0016
902-209-0829(C)=20

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<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Okay, will do.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I'll preface this with my experience and observations.&nbsp; First and foremost are:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Boat, as light as possible.&nbsp; That means <U>everything</U> that you don't need to have on the boat to race is either in your garage or left on the dock as long as you meet the one design or PHRF rules.&nbsp; I removed the stove/oven on my Frers and replaced it with an ORGO 2 burner stove.&nbsp; Saved 45 pounds and I meet the PHRF requirement of having a stove.&nbsp; I don't race one design where I am but if I did I would guess I'd have to add weight to the boat.&nbsp; I also removed the table and V-birth door (replaced the V-birth door with a curtain) and I don't race with the V-birth cushions in.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>2.&nbsp; Bottom is race ready.&nbsp; That means an ULTRA smooth bottom (which can really only be done if the paint is sprayed on and then wet sanded smooth) and I don't mean kind of smooth, I mean ultra smooth.&nbsp; The bottom of the boat should be as shiny as the freshly waxed hull.&nbsp; Also the keel has to be just about perfect.&nbsp; Pay special attention to the trailing edge which can be damaged by cavitation and get rough and the keel bottom which can be damaged over time by poor blocking.&nbsp; There is not much to the rear of the keel so placing a block at the rear of the keel can crush down that portion.&nbsp; Check it and make sure it is smooth and that includes the bottom of the keel, as much as you can get to and feel.&nbsp; Lastly on the bottom it has to be cleaned by a diver periodically.&nbsp; I have mine cleaned every other week here in the Chesapeake bay.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>3.&nbsp; Sails.&nbsp; Best you can afford and in excellent condition.&nbsp; Any sail that's over&nbsp;3 years old is no longer a racing sail.&nbsp; It may look like a racing sail but it's not really a racing sail it"s a cruising sail.&nbsp; Good racing sails are outrageously expensive but they really do make the boat go faster.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I've raced my <SPAN><SPAN>Frers</SPAN></SPAN> 33 for&nbsp;6 years and I've been racing for about 18 years.&nbsp; I've raced the Frers in 0 to 54 knot winds and over 400 miles in about 150 races in the 4 years I've had the boat.&nbsp; I have all Kevlar sails, UK tape drive main and 140% &amp; 110% Genoas and a&nbsp;North 3DL Kevlar carbon fiber 155% Genoa.&nbsp;Oldest sail is the main sail and 2009 is it's 3rd and last year.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Crewing:&nbsp; To race the Frers 33 well you need about 7 people 8 is better.&nbsp;&nbsp;Helm, Main Sail, Foredeck,&nbsp;Tactician (owner),&nbsp;&nbsp;3 Genoa trimmers and&nbsp;Mast.&nbsp; When your short folks&nbsp;less Genoa trimmers.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Sail Trim:</DIV>
<DIV>First the boat is tender and&nbsp;it has&nbsp;poor initial stability.&nbsp; However it has excellent ultimate stability.&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>In winds of 0 to about 12 or 13&nbsp;knots I use a North 3DL 155% genoa.&nbsp; Don't pinch and don't overtrim the genoa.&nbsp; The&nbsp;<SPAN>Frers</SPAN> 33 will respond poorly to both of these.&nbsp; Ease the genoa just a bit so it can breath and gain boat speed.&nbsp; The eliptical keel will lift the boat if you provide the speed.&nbsp; This may seem counterintutive when other boats are pointing higer but give it a try.&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>In 0 to&nbsp;4 knots&nbsp;trim the sail to about 4 inches off the lower spreader (and not touching the upper spreader) and set the leads so it's the same off the side stays on the deck.&nbsp; In 5 to 9 knots, full speed triming.&nbsp; About&nbsp;1-2 inches off the lower spreader and set the leads so the sail is touching the side stays on the deck.&nbsp; In 10 knots and above you want the sail about 6 inches off the lower spreader with the lead set way back and the sail touching the side stays when trimed in tight.&nbsp; In all of these set the halyard initially tight, you can always loosen it up if you have vertical wrinkles but it's hard to get horizontal wrinkles out when your sailing.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Over 12 knots I switch over to my 140% genoa and I use that to about 20 knots then I switch over to a 110% genoa which is good up to about 28 knots.&nbsp; After 28 knots I start thinking that golf is actually not a bad sport.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Triming the Main:&nbsp; Esentially you want the tails on the luff of the main flying all the time if possible.&nbsp; Usually that's not that tough&nbsp;up wind.&nbsp; Down wind it's a challange so who ever the trimer is they should be working that sail&nbsp;down wind a bit.&nbsp;&nbsp;As with the genoa set the halyard tight and then add cunningham as necessary to get a good looking sail.&nbsp; If the main sail looks good it probably is good.&nbsp;&nbsp;With both the cunningham and the outhaul the harder the wind is blowing the more you want on when going upwind.&nbsp;&nbsp;Off the wind&nbsp;loosen up the outhaul so you get more bag in the&nbsp;main.&nbsp; In heavy air&nbsp;ease the traveler first in the puffs and if that's not enough ease the sheet until the boat responds.&nbsp; Then&nbsp;as soon as the puff is past start triming it all back in again.&nbsp; In heavy air the main trim is CONSTANT.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Spinnaker.&nbsp; When you put up the spinnaker that's when the real fun starts.&nbsp; Expect in winds over 10 knots that big sail will be a handful.&nbsp; Dead down wind the&nbsp;boat wants to death roll very easy.&nbsp; You must constantly have the pole more forward than normal.&nbsp; Possibly much more foreward and you must be ready to ease the sheet a lot.&nbsp; You have to drive the boat to keep&nbsp;it under the sail and pay attention to&nbsp;your steering.&nbsp; Sooner or later you'll broach no matter how well you sail the boat so be ready for that.&nbsp; To recover from the broach agressively ease the main and the sheet on the spinnaker and she will come back then&nbsp;just trim&nbsp;stuff in and away you go.&nbsp; When reaching the spinnaker trimmer MUST be ready to ease in the&nbsp;puffs.&nbsp; If they ease agressively&nbsp;and the helmsman steers down a bit the boat will accelerate dramatically and you will gain a lot.&nbsp; If the
 spinnaker trimmer is a liitle lax and the helmsman is as well, you'll round up&nbsp;and loose ground so make sure everyone understands what they are supposed to do.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Position folks on the rail so you have no more than 20 to 25 degrees of heal which will be hard in the bigger winds but do the best you can.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>That's a lot&nbsp;so, for now,&nbsp;I'll stop.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>If you have questions in the future let me know.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Frank Albert</DIV>
<DIV>RELENTLESS 41621&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 1/17/09, Jim <SPAN><SPAN>Mormile</SPAN></SPAN> <I>&lt;jim.mormile@snet.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Jim Mormile &lt;jim.mormile@snet.net&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 7:03 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Frank why don't you make those tips and tricks available to all of us ? 
Thanks    Jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "FRANCIS ALBERT" &lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&gt;
To: &lt;frers-list@lists.frers33.com&gt;
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.


Rod

I've raced PHRF for a long time i'll send you a note this weekend on
what 
works and what doesn't.

Frank

--- On Fri, 1/16/09, rod stright &lt;strightr@eastlink.ca&gt; wrote:

From: rod stright &lt;strightr@eastlink.ca&gt;
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM





Thanks for the response Guys. I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko 
latch but no door.

They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next 
week. Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon. I notice 
the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114. How do you guys feel about 
your rating and what is fair? My observation from outside the area is that 
where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly faster 
since they are competing against similar boats they are probably better 
tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many 
they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?

I also notice there a couple of boats with higher rigs around Long Island as 
I recall.

Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of
boats 
so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.

May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken, any 
suggestions. Also a mainsail cover to get started.

Regards

Rod Stright
902-444-0016
902-209-0829(C) 

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From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (rod stright)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:54:39 -0400
Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #281 - 4 msgs
References: <20090117223407.8206661AE8@mailman.siteprotect.com>
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Thanks Frank, very informative.

Regards
Rod
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> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:20:57 -0500
> From: Nancy Ogden <nogden2@aol.com>
> Subject: [frers-list]head door
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> I would be in touch with Hill & Lowden in Marblehead - they have sold 
> many, many Frers 33 and probably have photos of interiors for good pix of 
> HEAD DOOR - Rich Hill is a great guy!
>
> http://www.hilllowden.com/ -
>
> does anyone have a Frers 33 to sell - i made a huge mistake in selling my 
> boat
>
> Nancy Ogden
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> <div> <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">I would be in touch with 
> Hill &amp; Lowden in Marblehead - they have sold many, many Frers 33 and 
> probably have photos of interiors for good pix of HEAD DOOR - Rich Hill is 
> a great guy!</font><br>
> </div>
> http://www.hilllowden.com/<font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> -<br>
> <br>
> does anyone have a Frers 33 to sell - i made a huge mistake in selling my 
> boat<br>
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> Message: 2
> From: "Jim Mormile" <jim.mormile@snet.net>
> To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:03:09 -0500
> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
>
> Frank why don't you make those tips and tricks available to all of us ?
> Thanks    Jim
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "FRANCIS ALBERT" <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
> To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
>
>
> Rod
>
> I've raced PHRF for a long time i'll send you a note this weekend on what
> works and what doesn't.
>
> Frank
>
> --- On Fri, 1/16/09, rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
> From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
> Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the response Guys. I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko
> latch but no door.
>
> They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next
> week. Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon. I notice
> the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114. How do you guys feel about
> your rating and what is fair? My observation from outside the area is that
> where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly faster
> since they are competing against similar boats they are probably better
> tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many
> they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?
>
> I also notice there a couple of boats with higher rigs around Long Island 
> as
> I recall.
>
> Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of 
> boats
> so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.
>
> May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken, any
> suggestions. Also a mainsail cover to get started.
>
> Regards
>
> Rod Stright
> 902-444-0016
> 902-209-0829(C)
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:20:39 -0800 (PST)
> From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
>
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>
> Okay, will do.
> =A0
> I'll preface this with my experience and observations.=A0 First and 
> foremeo=
> st are:
> =A0
> 1.=A0 =A0boat, as light as possible.=A0 That means everything that you 
> don'=
> t need to have on the boat to race is either in your garage or left on the 
> =
> dock.
> =A0
> =A0
> Racing a Frers 33.
> =A0
> First triming the big head sail.=A0=20
>
> --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Jim Mormile <jim.mormile@snet.net> wrote:
>
> From: Jim Mormile <jim.mormile@snet.net>
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 7:03 AM
>
> Frank why don't you make those tips and tricks available to all of us ?=20
> Thanks    Jim
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "FRANCIS ALBERT" <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
> To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
>
>
> Rod
>
> I've raced PHRF for a long time i'll send you a note this weekend on
> what=20
> works and what doesn't.
>
> Frank
>
> --- On Fri, 1/16/09, rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
> From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
> Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the response Guys. I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko=20
> latch but no door.
>
> They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next=20
> week. Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon. I notice=
> =20
> the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114. How do you guys feel 
> about=
> =20
> your rating and what is fair? My observation from outside the area is 
> that=
> =20
> where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly faster=20
> since they are competing against similar boats they are probably better=20
> tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many=
> =20
> they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?
>
> I also notice there a couple of boats with higher rigs around Long Island 
> a=
> s=20
> I recall.
>
> Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of
> boats=20
> so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.
>
> May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken, 
> any=
> =20
> suggestions. Also a mainsail cover to get started.
>
> Regards
>
> Rod Stright
> 902-444-0016
> 902-209-0829(C)=20
>
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> style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Okay, will do.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>I'll preface this with my experience and observations.&nbsp; First 
> and foremeost are:</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>1.&nbsp; &nbsp;boat, as light as possible.&nbsp; That means 
> everything that you don't need to have on the boat to race is either in 
> your garage or left on the dock.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>Racing a Frers 33.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>First triming the big head sail.&nbsp; <BR><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 
> 1/17/09, Jim Mormile <I>&lt;jim.mormile@snet.net&gt;</I></B> 
> wrote:<BR></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: 
> rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Jim Mormile 
> &lt;jim.mormile@snet.net&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head 
> Door Ratings Etc.<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Saturday, 
> January 17, 2009, 7:03 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Frank why don't you make those tips 
> and tricks available to all of us ?
> Thanks    Jim
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "FRANCIS ALBERT" &lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&gt;
> To: &lt;frers-list@lists.frers33.com&gt;
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
>
>
> Rod
>
> I've raced PHRF for a long time i'll send you a note this weekend on
> what
> works and what doesn't.
>
> Frank
>
> --- On Fri, 1/16/09, rod stright &lt;strightr@eastlink.ca&gt; wrote:
>
> From: rod stright &lt;strightr@eastlink.ca&gt;
> Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the response Guys. I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko
> latch but no door.
>
> They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next
> week. Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon. I notice
> the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114. How do you guys feel about
> your rating and what is fair? My observation from outside the area is that
> where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly faster
> since they are competing against similar boats they are probably better
> tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many
> they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?
>
> I also notice there a couple of boats with higher rigs around Long Island 
> as
> I recall.
>
> Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of
> boats
> so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.
>
> May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken, any
> suggestions. Also a mainsail cover to get started.
>
> Regards
>
> Rod Stright
> 902-444-0016
> 902-209-0829(C)
>
> _______________________________________________
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> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:32:14 -0800 (PST)
> From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
>
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>
> Okay, will do.
> =A0
> I'll preface this with my experience and observations.=A0 First and 
> foremos=
> t are:
> =A0
> 1.=A0=A0=A0Boat, as light as possible.=A0 That means everything that you 
> do=
> n't need to have on the boat to race is either in your garage or left on 
> th=
> e dock as long as you meet the one design or PHRF rules.=A0 I removed the 
> s=
> tove/oven on my Frers and replaced it with an ORGO 2 burner stove.=A0 
> Saved=
> 45 pounds and I meet the PHRF requirement of having a stove.=A0 I don't 
> ra=
> ce one design where I am but if I did I would guess I'd have to add weight 
> =
> to the boat.=A0 I also removed the table and V-birth door (replaced the 
> V-b=
> irth door with a curtain) and I don't race with the V-birth cushions in.
> =A0
> 2.=A0 Bottom is race ready.=A0 That means an ULTRA smooth bottom (which 
> can=
> really only be done if the paint is sprayed on and then wet sanded 
> smooth)=
> and I don't mean kind of smooth, I mean ultra smooth.=A0 The bottom of 
> the=
> boat should be as shiny as the freshly waxed hull.=A0 Also the keel has 
> to=
> be just about perfect.=A0 Pay special attention to the trailing edge 
> which=
> can be damaged by cavitation and get rough and the keel bottom which can 
> b=
> e damaged over time by poor blocking.=A0 There is not much to the rear of 
> t=
> he keel so placing a block at the rear of the keel can crush down that 
> port=
> ion.=A0 Check it and make sure it is smooth and that includes the bottom 
> of=
> the keel, as much as you can get to and feel.=A0 Lastly on the bottom it 
> h=
> as to be cleaned by a diver periodically.=A0 I have mine cleaned every 
> othe=
> r week here in the Chesapeake bay.
> =A0
> 3.=A0 Sails.=A0 Best you can afford and in excellent condition.=A0 Any 
> sail=
> that's over=A03 years old is no longer a racing sail.=A0 It may look like 
> =
> a racing sail but it's not really a racing sail it"s a cruising sail.=A0 
> Go=
> od racing sails are outrageously expensive but they really do make the 
> boat=
> go faster.
> =A0
> I've raced my Frers 33 for=A06 years and I've been racing for about 18 
> year=
> s.=A0 I've raced the Frers in 0 to 54 knot winds and over 400 miles in 
> abou=
> t 150 races in the 4 years I've had the boat.=A0 I have all Kevlar sails, 
> U=
> K tape drive main and 140% & 110% Genoas and a=A0North 3DL Kevlar carbon 
> fi=
> ber 155% Genoa.=A0Oldest sail is the main sail and 2009 is it's 3rd and 
> las=
> t year.
> =A0
> Crewing:=A0 To race the Frers 33 well you need about 7 people 8 is 
> better.=
> =A0=A0Helm, Main Sail, Foredeck,=A0Tactician (owner),=A0=A03 Genoa 
> trimmers=
> and=A0Mast.=A0 When your short folks=A0less Genoa trimmers.
> =A0
> Sail Trim:
> First the boat is tender and=A0it has=A0poor initial stability.=A0 However 
> =
> it has excellent ultimate stability.=A0
> =A0
> In winds of 0 to about 12 or 13=A0knots I use a North 3DL 155% genoa.=A0 
> Do=
> n't pinch and don't overtrim the genoa.=A0 The=A0Frers 33 will respond 
> poor=
> ly to both of these.=A0 Ease the genoa just a bit so it can breath and 
> gain=
> boat speed.=A0 The eliptical keel will lift the boat if you provide the 
> sp=
> eed.=A0 This may seem counterintutive when other boats are pointing higer 
> b=
> ut give it a try.=A0=20
> =A0
> In 0 to=A04 knots=A0trim the sail to about 4 inches off the lower spreader 
> =
> (and not touching the upper spreader) and set the leads so it's the same 
> of=
> f the side stays on the deck.=A0 In 5 to 9 knots, full speed triming.=A0 
> Ab=
> out=A01-2 inches off the lower spreader and set the leads so the sail is 
> to=
> uching the side stays on the deck.=A0 In 10 knots and above you want the 
> sa=
> il about 6 inches off the lower spreader with the lead set way back and 
> the=
> sail touching the side stays when trimed in tight.=A0 In all of these set 
> =
> the halyard initially tight, you can always loosen it up if you have 
> vertic=
> al wrinkles but it's hard to get horizontal wrinkles out when your 
> sailing.
> =A0
> Over 12 knots I switch over to my 140% genoa and I use that to about 20 
> kno=
> ts then I switch over to a 110% genoa which is good up to about 28 knots.=
> =A0 After 28 knots I start thinking that golf is actually not a bad sport.
> =A0
> Triming the Main:=A0 Esentially you want the tails on the luff of the main 
> =
> flying all the time if possible.=A0 Usually that's not that tough=A0up 
> wind=
> .=A0 Down wind it's a challange so who ever the trimer is they should be 
> wo=
> rking that sail=A0down wind a bit.=A0=A0As with the genoa set the halyard 
> t=
> ight and then add cunningham as necessary to get a good looking sail.=A0 
> If=
> the main sail looks good it probably is good.=A0=A0With both the 
> cunningha=
> m and the outhaul the harder the wind is blowing the more you want on when 
> =
> going upwind.=A0=A0Off the wind=A0loosen up the outhaul so you get more 
> bag=
> in the=A0main.=A0 In heavy air=A0ease the traveler first in the puffs and 
> =
> if that's not enough ease the sheet until the boat responds.=A0 Then=A0as 
> s=
> oon as the puff is past start triming it all back in again.=A0 In heavy 
> air=
> the main trim is CONSTANT.
> =A0
> Spinnaker.=A0 When you put up the spinnaker that's when the real fun 
> starts=
> .=A0 Expect in winds over 10 knots that big sail will be a handful.=A0 
> Dead=
> down wind the=A0boat wants to death roll very easy.=A0 You must 
> constantly=
> have the pole more forward than normal.=A0 Possibly much more foreward 
> and=
> you must be ready to ease the sheet a lot.=A0 You have to drive the boat 
> t=
> o keep=A0it under the sail and pay attention to=A0your steering.=A0 Sooner 
> =
> or later you'll broach no matter how well you sail the boat so be ready 
> for=
> that.=A0 To recover from the broach agressively ease the main and the 
> shee=
> t on the spinnaker and she will come back then=A0just trim=A0stuff in and 
> a=
> way you go.=A0 When reaching the spinnaker trimmer MUST be ready to ease 
> in=
> the=A0puffs.=A0 If they ease agressively=A0and the helmsman steers down a 
> =
> bit the boat will accelerate dramatically and you will gain a lot.=A0 If 
> th=
> e spinnaker trimmer is a liitle lax and the helmsman is as well, you'll 
> rou=
> nd up=A0and
> loose ground so make sure everyone understands what they are supposed to 
> d=
> o.
> =A0
> Position folks on the rail so you have no more than 20 to 25 degrees of 
> hea=
> l which will be hard in the bigger winds but do the best you can.
> =A0
> That's a lot=A0so, for now,=A0I'll stop.
> =A0
> If you have questions in the future let me know.
> =A0
> Frank Albert
> RELENTLESS 41621=A0
>
> --- On Sat, 1/17/09, Jim Mormile <jim.mormile@snet.net> wrote:
>
> From: Jim Mormile <jim.mormile@snet.net>
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 7:03 AM
>
> Frank why don't you make those tips and tricks available to all of us ?=20
> Thanks    Jim
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "FRANCIS ALBERT" <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
> To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
>
>
> Rod
>
> I've raced PHRF for a long time i'll send you a note this weekend on
> what=20
> works and what doesn't.
>
> Frank
>
> --- On Fri, 1/16/09, rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
> From: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>
> Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the response Guys. I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko=20
> latch but no door.
>
> They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next=20
> week. Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon. I notice=
> =20
> the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114. How do you guys feel 
> about=
> =20
> your rating and what is fair? My observation from outside the area is 
> that=
> =20
> where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly faster=20
> since they are competing against similar boats they are probably better=20
> tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many=
> =20
> they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?
>
> I also notice there a couple of boats with higher rigs around Long Island 
> a=
> s=20
> I recall.
>
> Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of
> boats=20
> so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.
>
> May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken, 
> any=
> =20
> suggestions. Also a mainsail cover to get started.
>
> Regards
>
> Rod Stright
> 902-444-0016
> 902-209-0829(C)=20
>
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> style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Okay, will do.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>I'll preface this with my experience and observations.&nbsp; First 
> and foremost are:</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Boat, as light as possible.&nbsp; That means 
> <U>everything</U> that you don't need to have on the boat to race is 
> either in your garage or left on the dock as long as you meet the one 
> design or PHRF rules.&nbsp; I removed the stove/oven on my Frers and 
> replaced it with an ORGO 2 burner stove.&nbsp; Saved 45 pounds and I meet 
> the PHRF requirement of having a stove.&nbsp; I don't race one design 
> where I am but if I did I would guess I'd have to add weight to the 
> boat.&nbsp; I also removed the table and V-birth door (replaced the 
> V-birth door with a curtain) and I don't race with the V-birth cushions 
> in.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>2.&nbsp; Bottom is race ready.&nbsp; That means an ULTRA smooth 
> bottom (which can really only be done if the paint is sprayed on and then 
> wet sanded smooth) and I don't mean kind of smooth, I mean ultra 
> smooth.&nbsp; The bottom of the boat should be as shiny as the freshly 
> waxed hull.&nbsp; Also the keel has to be just about perfect.&nbsp; Pay 
> special attention to the trailing edge which can be damaged by cavitation 
> and get rough and the keel bottom which can be damaged over time by poor 
> blocking.&nbsp; There is not much to the rear of the keel so placing a 
> block at the rear of the keel can crush down that portion.&nbsp; Check it 
> and make sure it is smooth and that includes the bottom of the keel, as 
> much as you can get to and feel.&nbsp; Lastly on the bottom it has to be 
> cleaned by a diver periodically.&nbsp; I have mine cleaned every other 
> week here in the Chesapeake bay.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>3.&nbsp; Sails.&nbsp; Best you can afford and in excellent 
> condition.&nbsp; Any sail that's over&nbsp;3 years old is no longer a 
> racing sail.&nbsp; It may look like a racing sail but it's not really a 
> racing sail it"s a cruising sail.&nbsp; Good racing sails are outrageously 
> expensive but they really do make the boat go faster.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>I've raced my <SPAN><SPAN>Frers</SPAN></SPAN> 33 for&nbsp;6 years and 
> I've been racing for about 18 years.&nbsp; I've raced the Frers in 0 to 54 
> knot winds and over 400 miles in about 150 races in the 4 years I've had 
> the boat.&nbsp; I have all Kevlar sails, UK tape drive main and 140% &amp; 
> 110% Genoas and a&nbsp;North 3DL Kevlar carbon fiber 155% 
> Genoa.&nbsp;Oldest sail is the main sail and 2009 is it's 3rd and last 
> year.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>Crewing:&nbsp; To race the Frers 33 well you need about 7 people 8 is 
> better.&nbsp;&nbsp;Helm, Main Sail, Foredeck,&nbsp;Tactician 
> (owner),&nbsp;&nbsp;3 Genoa trimmers and&nbsp;Mast.&nbsp; When your short 
> folks&nbsp;less Genoa trimmers.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>Sail Trim:</DIV>
> <DIV>First the boat is tender and&nbsp;it has&nbsp;poor initial 
> stability.&nbsp; However it has excellent ultimate stability.&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>In winds of 0 to about 12 or 13&nbsp;knots I use a North 3DL 155% 
> genoa.&nbsp; Don't pinch and don't overtrim the genoa.&nbsp; 
> The&nbsp;<SPAN>Frers</SPAN> 33 will respond poorly to both of these.&nbsp; 
> Ease the genoa just a bit so it can breath and gain boat speed.&nbsp; The 
> eliptical keel will lift the boat if you provide the speed.&nbsp; This may 
> seem counterintutive when other boats are pointing higer but give it a 
> try.&nbsp; </DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>In 0 to&nbsp;4 knots&nbsp;trim the sail to about 4 inches off the 
> lower spreader (and not touching the upper spreader) and set the leads so 
> it's the same off the side stays on the deck.&nbsp; In 5 to 9 knots, full 
> speed triming.&nbsp; About&nbsp;1-2 inches off the lower spreader and set 
> the leads so the sail is touching the side stays on the deck.&nbsp; In 10 
> knots and above you want the sail about 6 inches off the lower spreader 
> with the lead set way back and the sail touching the side stays when 
> trimed in tight.&nbsp; In all of these set the halyard initially tight, 
> you can always loosen it up if you have vertical wrinkles but it's hard to 
> get horizontal wrinkles out when your sailing.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>Over 12 knots I switch over to my 140% genoa and I use that to about 
> 20 knots then I switch over to a 110% genoa which is good up to about 28 
> knots.&nbsp; After 28 knots I start thinking that golf is actually not a 
> bad sport.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>Triming the Main:&nbsp; Esentially you want the tails on the luff of 
> the main flying all the time if possible.&nbsp; Usually that's not that 
> tough&nbsp;up wind.&nbsp; Down wind it's a challange so who ever the 
> trimer is they should be working that sail&nbsp;down wind a 
> bit.&nbsp;&nbsp;As with the genoa set the halyard tight and then add 
> cunningham as necessary to get a good looking sail.&nbsp; If the main sail 
> looks good it probably is good.&nbsp;&nbsp;With both the cunningham and 
> the outhaul the harder the wind is blowing the more you want on when going 
> upwind.&nbsp;&nbsp;Off the wind&nbsp;loosen up the outhaul so you get more 
> bag in the&nbsp;main.&nbsp; In heavy air&nbsp;ease the traveler first in 
> the puffs and if that's not enough ease the sheet until the boat 
> responds.&nbsp; Then&nbsp;as soon as the puff is past start triming it all 
> back in again.&nbsp; In heavy air the main trim is CONSTANT.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>Spinnaker.&nbsp; When you put up the spinnaker that's when the real 
> fun starts.&nbsp; Expect in winds over 10 knots that big sail will be a 
> handful.&nbsp; Dead down wind the&nbsp;boat wants to death roll very 
> easy.&nbsp; You must constantly have the pole more forward than 
> normal.&nbsp; Possibly much more foreward and you must be ready to ease 
> the sheet a lot.&nbsp; You have to drive the boat to keep&nbsp;it under 
> the sail and pay attention to&nbsp;your steering.&nbsp; Sooner or later 
> you'll broach no matter how well you sail the boat so be ready for 
> that.&nbsp; To recover from the broach agressively ease the main and the 
> sheet on the spinnaker and she will come back then&nbsp;just 
> trim&nbsp;stuff in and away you go.&nbsp; When reaching the spinnaker 
> trimmer MUST be ready to ease in the&nbsp;puffs.&nbsp; If they ease 
> agressively&nbsp;and the helmsman steers down a bit the boat will 
> accelerate dramatically and you will gain a lot.&nbsp; If the
> spinnaker trimmer is a liitle lax and the helmsman is as well, you'll 
> round up&nbsp;and loose ground so make sure everyone understands what they 
> are supposed to do.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>Position folks on the rail so you have no more than 20 to 25 degrees 
> of heal which will be hard in the bigger winds but do the best you 
> can.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>That's a lot&nbsp;so, for now,&nbsp;I'll stop.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>If you have questions in the future let me know.</DIV>
> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>Frank Albert</DIV>
> <DIV>RELENTLESS 41621&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><BR>--- On <B>Sat, 1/17/09, Jim <SPAN><SPAN>Mormile</SPAN></SPAN> 
> <I>&lt;jim.mormile@snet.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: 
> rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Jim Mormile 
> &lt;jim.mormile@snet.net&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head 
> Door Ratings Etc.<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Saturday, 
> January 17, 2009, 7:03 AM<BR><BR><PRE>Frank why don't you make those tips 
> and tricks available to all of us ?
> Thanks    Jim
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "FRANCIS ALBERT" &lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&gt;
> To: &lt;frers-list@lists.frers33.com&gt;
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
>
>
> Rod
>
> I've raced PHRF for a long time i'll send you a note this weekend on
> what
> works and what doesn't.
>
> Frank
>
> --- On Fri, 1/16/09, rod stright &lt;strightr@eastlink.ca&gt; wrote:
>
> From: rod stright &lt;strightr@eastlink.ca&gt;
> Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door Ratings Etc.
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:12 AM
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the response Guys. I have purchased Equinox. Found the Perko
> latch but no door.
>
> They will be assigning a rating to the boat up here in Nova Scotia next
> week. Since it is -25 degrees C I won't be sailing anytime soon. I notice
> the ratings vary a bit by area from 108 to 114. How do you guys feel about
> your rating and what is fair? My observation from outside the area is that
> where the boats race or raced one-design they are rated slightly faster
> since they are competing against similar boats they are probably better
> tuned then when they race PHRF they do better, where there aren't as many
> they don't do as well and the rating is slower. Correct?
>
> I also notice there a couple of boats with higher rigs around Long Island 
> as
> I recall.
>
> Anyway, I'll be on my own up here racing in with wide cross section of
> boats
> so any racing/tuning information would be appreciated.
>
> May need a headstay and foil/furler as the one I have has been broken, any
> suggestions. Also a mainsail cover to get started.
>
> Regards
>
> Rod Stright
> 902-444-0016
> 902-209-0829(C)
>
> _______________________________________________
> frers-list mailing list
> frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list
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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com  Sun Jan 18 21:33:44 2009
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Jim Mormile)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:33:44 -0500
Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door
References: <C4F87F5AA90F43A8A5481CC7CC3DC18F@CMSS>
Message-ID: <6DB820218FD94C4EB30EAEFEFB4C3956@experimental.com>

Rod I took pictures of my door to the head. If you give me your email 
address I will send them to you alone     Jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rod stright" <strightr@eastlink.ca>
To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:32 PM
Subject: [frers-list]Head Sliding Door


> Hi Guys,
>
> Need to replace the head door.  Unfortunately there is not one there to go 
> by.  Judging from the track it is a sliding door.  Does anyone happen to 
> have a photo of one or can you provide a good description.  I assume it is 
> simply a 1/2" piece of teak plywood with a mortised in latch but I'm not 
> sure having never seen one.  I doubt there is any frame around it but 
> can't be sure as it could be a thin panel door.
>
> Rod Stright
> 902-444-0016
> 902-209-0829(C)
> 


From frers-list@lists.frers33.com  Sun Jan 18 22:50:41 2009
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (rod stright)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:50:41 -0400
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Head Door
Message-ID: <C4C2A5A497EA4DF791F0DE1618E84D8B@CMSS>

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Hi Jim,

Thanks for taking the pictures.  My email address is StrightR@eastlink.ca 

Rod Stright
902-444-0016
902-209-0829(C)

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<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#000080 size=2>Hi Jim,</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#000080 size=2></FONT></EM></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#000080 size=2>Thanks for taking the 
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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com  Tue Jan 20 12:15:04 2009
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (rod stright)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:15:04 -0400
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Tuning Guide
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Is anyone aware of a Frers 33 Tuning Guide?  If not would you like to help make one up?  Shouldn't be all that difficult with the expertise available on this site.  It may help pass a rough winter.  If you agree and/or are willing to help drop me an email at this site or at StrightR@eastlink.ca .  Here is a sample of what I had in mind http://www.j35.org/TipsandTricks/J35TuningGuideByRussPerry/tabid/80/Default.aspx

Regards
Rod Stright
902-444-0016
902-209-0829(C)

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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2>Is anyone aware of a Frers 33 Tuning 
Guide?&nbsp; If not would you like to help make one up?&nbsp; Shouldn't be all 
that difficult with the expertise available on this site.&nbsp; It may help pass 
a rough winter. &nbsp;If you agree and/or are willing to help drop me an email 
at this site or at <A 
href="mailto:StrightR@eastlink.ca">StrightR@eastlink.ca</A> .&nbsp; Here is a 
sample of what I had in mind <A 
href="http://www.j35.org/TipsandTricks/J35TuningGuideByRussPerry/tabid/80/Default.aspx">http://www.j35.org/TipsandTricks/J35TuningGuideByRussPerry/tabid/80/Default.aspx</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com  Tue Jan 20 13:51:31 2009
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Jim Mormile)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:51:31 -0500
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Tuning Guide
References: <515FD321012C44E988E74BF16DE68787@CMSS>
Message-ID: <AA9C9F875EAC4D019DB9781B69DD5473@experimental.com>

Excellent idea !
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rod stright" <strightr@eastlink.ca>
To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:15 AM
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Tuning Guide


> Is anyone aware of a Frers 33 Tuning Guide?  If not would you like to help 
> make one up?  Shouldn't be all that difficult with the expertise available 
> on this site.  It may help pass a rough winter.  If you agree and/or are 
> willing to help drop me an email at this site or at StrightR@eastlink.ca . 
> Here is a sample of what I had in mind 
> http://www.j35.org/TipsandTricks/J35TuningGuideByRussPerry/tabid/80/Default.aspx
>
> Regards
> Rod Stright
> 902-444-0016
> 902-209-0829(C)
> 


From frers-list@lists.frers33.com  Wed Jan 21 16:44:24 2009
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (rod stright)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:44:24 -0400
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Headstay and Foil or Roller Furler
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Does anyone happen to have a spare headstay, foil or fuller for a Frers 33 in good condition?  My headstay is broken and I need a foil or furler as well.  I can be reached through the website or at StrightR@eastlink.ca 

Rod 

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