<bottarod@mail.nih.g= ov> · Risoluto

Is anyone here familiar with the Frers 3=
8?  It looks much like the 33 but
has anyone sailed on one or seen them sail or know anyone that has one.

Rod
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   1. Re: complete refit soon underway, what changes would you make ?
(FRANCIS ALBERT)
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(FRANCIS ALBERT)

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Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:35:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@p=
rodigy.net>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would
you make ?
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Courtney,
=3DA0
Below are the things I'd change on the boat and why.=3DA0 Have fun and good=
 l=3D
uck.
=3DA0
Frank Albert
RELENTLESS 41621
=3DA0
1.=3DA0 Deeper keel about a foot more, all lead, which would add around 300=
 l=3D
bs to the bottom of the keel.=3DA0 The boat is tender and in a blow you've =
ne=3D
arly always got the toe rail in the water.=3DA0 Or shorten the mast which w=
ou=3D
ld mean all new sails all new rigging but less heel and less power.=3DA0 I'=
m =3D
pretty sure the boom is set on the mast and cannot be adjusted so you'd pro=
=3D
bably need a whole new rig to keep the boom at the same height.
=3DA0
2.=3DA0 Larger rudder/Redesigned rudder.=3DA0 The rudder on the Frers 33 lo=
oks =3D
like a normal size rudder but it is=3DA0undersized.=3DA0 The boat will roun=
d up=3D
 pretty fast.=3DA0 I once rounded up so hard we wound up going the other di=
re=3D
ction.
=3DA0
3.=3DA0 Side windows that open.=3DA0 There is NO cross ventilation on that =
boat=3D
.=3DA0 If your going to spend some bucks then remove the plastic windows th=
at=3D
 are there now.=3DA0 Glass up the holes and finish it so it looks like it n=
ev=3D
er had any windows.=3DA0 Then cut out and=3DA0install 4 windows on each sid=
e th=3D
at open which will include one in the bathroom.=3DA0 Boy that would be swee=
t.
=3DA0
4.=3DA0 If this redo includes the interior make the bathroom bigger/wider.=
=3DA0=3D
 Can't go any further into the boat with the head but it could stand to be =
=3D
a bit wider.=3DA0 Anyone ever notice you have to turn sideways to get into =
th=3D
e bathroom.=3DA0 Your shoulders won't fit through the door.=3DA0
=3DA0
5.=3DA0 If you're redoing the toe rail track that runs from the back of the=
 b=3D
oat to just forward of the side stays then I'd change that from the current=
=3D
 1/2 inch (slide right off the deck toe=3DA0rail) to the taller 1 and 3/16t=
hs=3D
 inch.=3DA0 Now that would be a toe rail that you could really lay your foo=
t =3D
up to and the top of the track is flat so if folks were sitting on the rail=
=3D
 it wouldn't be digging into the backs of their legs.=3DA0 I'd install it w=
it=3D
h some pre-cut holes in the bottom so water could drain over the side witho=
=3D
ut having to make it's way all the way to the back of the boat.=3DA0 You'll=
 h=3D
ave to have the entire track bent to match the boat.
=3DA0
6.=3DA0 If all you're ever going to do is cruise then add A/C.=3DA0 There's=
 roo=3D
m under the cockpit on the starboard side and it will make life worth livin=
=3D
g on those REALLY hot days at the dock.
=3DA0
7.=3DA0 Add a 2nd VHF antenna at the top of the mast.=3DA0 One for the VHF =
and =3D
one that can be used for an FM RADIO and split so an ADS can be added to th=
=3D
e boat.=3DA0 Most of the=3DA0Chart Plotters out there on the market today c=
an a=3D
ccept ADS info and overlay the boats on your plotter.=3DA0 Along with that =
th=3D
ey can tell you your closest point that you will come together and warn you=
=3D
 if that means a collision.=3DA0 I have one and they can see over the horiz=
on=3D
 because there using the masthead antenna.=3DA0 They're REALLY great at nig=
ht=3D
!
=3DA0
8.=3DA0 Replace the wheel and all parts.=3DA0 It looks like it Edison but i=
t's =3D
not and the pulley's under the deck are set in a cast aluminum bracket that=
=3D
 will eventually fail.=3DA0 One of mine failed, on a windy day.=3DA0 Also h=
ave =3D
a custom made tiller made for the boat that will go OVER the wheel and the =
=3D
pedestal.=3DA0 Trying to drive that boat with the small emergency tiller th=
at=3D
 came with the boat was BRUTAL.=3DA0 We had to go no more than 800 yards ba=
ck=3D
 to my slip and it took two people on that tiller with it constantly trying=
=3D
 to rip its self out of your hands.=3DA0 Very scary, and I cannot imagine w=
ha=3D
t it would be like in any large body of water with waves.

9.=3DA0 Add a nice cockpit canopy.=3DA0 Shade is a wonderful thing on a lon=
g ho=3D
t sunny day.
=3DA0
10.=3DA0 If it doesn't already have one an auto pilot.

--- On Mon, 8/15/11, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net> wrote:

From: Courtney Thomas <=
courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net>
Subject: [frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would you m=
=3D
ake ?
To: frers-list@lists.frers3=
3.com
Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 4:14 PM

Ahoy !

I am about to undertake a complete refit of a Frers33 and would appreciate =
=3D
all input regarding
changes you would make vis-a-vis the original assemblage, if you had the sa=
=3D
me opportunity.

Any suggestions regarding materials and technique regarding typical mainten=
=3D
ance and restorative
procedures are welcome as well, of course.

In particular... keel reattachment, hull deck joint, deck reinforcement, ma=
=3D
st support, mast reconfiguration,
and rigging, both standing and running, and rudder reinstallation... are of=
=3D
 particular concern,
as I'd hate like hell to bear this expense and later come to grief over a c=
=3D
hoice that could easily now be made
that would have made a much more salutary difference in time to come.

An additional note is that the standing rigging is what I assume was the or=
=3D
iginal 'rod' rigging.

My primary interest is not racing, rather cruising.

Has anyone shortened or otherwise altered the original mast ?

Has anyone gone outboard with the chainplates ?

Please include intended consequences of any suggested alterations.

Hoping to not cause a firestorm from Frers purists=3DA0 :-)

In any case, no alterations have=3DA0 been yet made,...

Appreciatively,

Courtney Thomas

-- Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power,
have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing
government, and form a new one that suits them better,
This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right,
which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Below are the things I'd change on the boat and why.&nbsp; H=
ave fun an=3D
d good luck.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Frank Albert</DIV>
<DIV>RELENTLESS 41621</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>1.&nbsp; Deeper keel about a foot more, all lead, which woul=
d add arou=3D
nd 300 lbs to the bottom of the keel.&nbsp; The boat is tender and in a=
 blo=3D
w you've nearly always got the toe rail in the water.&nbsp; Or shorten =
the =3D
mast which would mean all new sails all new rigging but less heel and less =
=3D
power.&nbsp; I'm pretty sure the boom is set on the mast and cannot be =
adju=3D
sted so you'd probably need a whole new rig to keep the boom at the same he=
=3D
ight.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>2.&nbsp; Larger rudder/Redesigned rudder.&nbsp; The rudd=
er on the <SPA=3D
N>Frers</SPAN> 33 looks like a normal size rudder but it is&nb=
sp;undersized=3D
.&nbsp; The boat will round up pretty fast.&nbsp; I once rounded up=
 so hard=3D
 we wound up going the other direction.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>3.&nbsp; Side windows that open.&nbsp; There is NO cross=
 ventilation o=3D
n that boat.&nbsp; If your going to spend some bucks then remove the pl=
asti=3D
c windows that are there now.&nbsp; Glass up the holes and finish it so=
 it =3D
looks like it never had any windows.&nbsp; Then cut out and&nbsp;in=
stall 4 =3D
windows on each side that open which will include one in the bathroom.&=
nbsp=3D
; Boy that would be sweet.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>4.&nbsp; If this redo includes the interior make the bathroo=
m bigger/w=3D
ider.&nbsp; Can't go any further into the boat with the head but it cou=
ld s=3D
tand to be a bit wider.&nbsp; Anyone ever notice you have to turn sidew=
ays =3D
to get into the bathroom.&nbsp; Your shoulders won't fit through the do=
or.&=3D
nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>5.&nbsp; If you're redoing the toe rail track that runs from=
 the back =3D
of the boat to just forward of the side stays then I'd change that from the=
=3D
 current 1/2 inch (slide right off the deck toe&nbsp;rail) to the talle=
r 1 =3D
and 3/16ths inch.&nbsp; Now that would be a toe rail that you could rea=
lly =3D
lay your foot up to and the top of the track is flat so if folks were sitti=
=3D
ng on the rail it wouldn't be digging into the backs of their legs.&nbs=
p; I=3D
'd install it with some pre-cut holes in the bottom so water could drain ov=
=3D
er the side without having to make it's way all the way to the back of the =
=3D
boat.&nbsp; You'll have to have the entire track bent to match the boat=
.</D=3D
IV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>6.&nbsp; If all you're ever going to do is cruise then add A=
/C.&nbsp; =3D
There's room under the cockpit on the starboard side and it will make life =
=3D
worth living on those REALLY hot days at the dock.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>7.&nbsp; Add a 2nd VHF antenna at the top of the mast.&n=
bsp; One for t=3D
he VHF and one that can be used for an FM RADIO and split so an ADS can be =
=3D
added to the boat.&nbsp; Most of the&nbsp;Chart Plotters out there =
on the m=3D
arket today can accept ADS info and overlay the boats on your plotter.&=
nbsp=3D
; Along with that they can tell you your closest point that you will come t=
=3D
ogether and warn you if that means a collision.&nbsp; I have one and th=
ey c=3D
an see over the horizon because there using the masthead antenna.&nbsp;=
 The=3D
y're REALLY great at night!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>8.&nbsp; Replace the wheel and all parts.&nbsp; It looks=
 like it Ediso=3D
n but it's not and the pulley's under the deck are set in a cast aluminum b=
=3D
racket that will eventually fail.&nbsp; One of mine failed, on a windy =
day.=3D
&nbsp; Also have a custom made tiller made for the boat that will go OV=
ER t=3D
he wheel and the pedestal.&nbsp; Trying to drive that boat with the sma=
ll e=3D
mergency tiller that came with the boat was BRUTAL.&nbsp; We had to go =
no m=3D
ore than 800 yards back to my slip and it took two people on that tiller wi=
=3D
th it constantly trying to rip its self out of your hands.&nbsp; Very s=
cary=3D
, and I cannot imagine what it would be like in any large body of water wit=
=3D
h waves.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>9.&nbsp; Add a nice cockpit canopy.&nbsp; Shad=
e is a wonderful thi=3D
ng on a long hot sunny day.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>10.&nbsp; If it doesn't already have one an auto pilot.</=
DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 8/15/11, Courtney Thomas <I>=
;&lt;courtneycthomas@bel=3D
lsouth.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LE=
FT: 5=3D
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Courtney Thomas &lt;courtneyct=
homas@bellsou=3D
th.net&gt;<BR>Subject: [<SPAN><SPAN><SPAN><S=
PAN>frers</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><=3D
/SPAN>-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would you make ?&=
lt;BR>=3D
To: frers-list@lists.frers3=
3.com<BR>Date: Monday, August 15, 2011, 4:14 PM<=3D
BR><BR>
<DIV class=3D3DplainMail>Ahoy !<BR><BR>I am about to unde=
rtake a complete ref=3D
it of a <SPAN>Frers</SPAN>33 and would appreciate all input reg=
arding<BR>ch=3D
anges you would make vis-a-vis the original assemblage, if you had the same=
=3D
 opportunity.<BR><BR>Any suggestions regarding materials and te=
chnique rega=3D
rding typical maintenance and restorative<BR>procedures are welcome a=
s well=3D
, of course.<BR><BR>In particular... keel reattachment, hull de=
ck joint, de=3D
ck reinforcement, mast support, mast reconfiguration,<BR>and rigging,=
 both =3D
standing and running, and rudder reinstallation... are of particular concer=
=3D
n,<BR>as I'd hate like hell to bear this expense and later come to gr=
ief ov=3D
er a choice that could easily now be made<BR>that would have made a m=
uch mo=3D
re salutary difference in time to come.<BR><BR>An additional no=
te is that t=3D
he standing rigging is what I assume was the original 'rod' rigging.<BR&=
gt;<BR=3D
>My primary interest is not racing, rather cruising.<BR><BR>=
Has anyone
 shortened or otherwise altered the original mast ?<BR><BR>Has =
anyone gone =3D
outboard with the chainplates ?<BR><BR>Please include intended =
consequences=3D
 of any suggested alterations.<BR><BR>Hoping to not cause a fir=
estorm from =3D
Frers purists&nbsp; :-)<BR><BR>In any case, no alterations =
have&nbsp; been =3D
yet made,...<BR><BR>Appreciatively,<BR><BR>Courtney=
 Thomas<BR><BR>-- Any pe=3D
ople anywhere, being inclined and having the power,<BR>have the right=
 to ri=3D
se up, and shake off the existing<BR>government, and form a new one t=
hat su=3D
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,<BR>which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.<BR>Ab=
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Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:49:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@p=
rodigy.net>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would
you make ?
To: frers-list@lists.frers3=
3.com
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.=
frers33.com

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Joyce,
=3DA0
If you think the Frers 33 is the sweetest sailing Frers ever designed then =
=3D
you've never watched a Frers 36 sail away from you in a race.=3DA0 The hand=
ic=3D
ap difference is just 15 seconds but the 36 is much stiffer in a breeze, a =
=3D
lot=3DA0more interior room and a much, much faster boat.=3DA0 Like a minute=
 a m=3D
ile faster.=3DA0 It's sails up, and Good by.=3DA0 There's a much larger dif=
fere=3D
nce between the two boats than just 36 inches.
=3DA0
The only problem is they made relatively few of them with the asymmetrical =
=3D
keel and those are the really fast ones.

Frank Albert
RELENTLESS
41621

--- On Wed, 8/17/11, joberdorf@o=
ptonline.net <joberdorf@o=
ptonline.net> wrot=3D
e:

From: joberdorf@optonline.net <joberdorf@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would y=
=3D
ou make ?
To: frers-list@lists.frers3=
3.com
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 5:33 PM

Courtney:
=3DA0
I will let others speak to the class rules specifically. But suffice it to =
=3D
say that=3DA0 to significantly alter the boat would make the frers a differ=
en=3D
t boat. Barry Carroll got a lot right when he designed it. It was Boat of t=
=3D
he Year at that time. By far, the sweetest sailing Frers.=3DA0 This has not=
hi=3D
ng to do with being a purist-- it has to do with the design of the boat.=3D=
20
However, here is what I know:
1. Running backs have been modified on some boats (placement of on deck var=
=3D
ies, mostly between tiller and wheel boats)
2. Keel has been slightly modified on some boats.=3DA0 Wolverine has a slig=
ht=3D
ly shorter keel that's "thicker" (hence better downwind). Others, have the =
=3D
standard depth keel.=3DA0 Boats such as Impetuous, and Checkmate (which fol=
lo=3D
wed Impetuous' lead) faired the trailing edge and therefore extended it to =
=3D
a fine edge. So you'll see slight variations. But these are all allowed wit=
=3D
hin class rules.
3. Never heard of anyone shortening the mast.=3DA0I heard of a Frers 41 own=
er=3D
 LENGthening the boom (whichis a real pain in the butt in light air vis a v=
=3D
is the backstay)=3DA0and another lengthening the mast and keeping the boom.=
 B=3D
ut these were entirely different boats.
4. Mast Steps have been strengthened in nearly every boat, over time. Mine =
=3D
was done by prior owner at New England Boatworks.
5. Rudder bearings have been changed in nearly every boat.=3DA0 For me, twi=
ce=3D
 so far in 15 yrs.
6. Most rod rigging is replaced as it wears, but not reconfigured.=3DA0 In =
te=3D
rms of other rigging, I've seen different mainsheet arrangements in terms o=
=3D
f block purchase vs. fine tune, and most boats have installed the Harken tr=
=3D
aveller system.
7. Spinnaker poles are now carbon fiber, etc, but not changed otherwise.
=3DA0
=3DA0I presume you bought the Frers because you actually liked the boat?
=3DA0
Joyce (Checkmate owner)

----- Original Message -----
From: Courtney Thomas=3D20
Date: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:15 pm
Subject: [frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would you m=
=3D
ake ?
To: frers-list@lists.frers3=
3.com

> Ahoy !
>=3D20
> I am about to undertake a complete refit of a Frers33 and would=3D20
> appreciate all input regarding
> changes you would make vis-a-vis the original assemblage, if you=3D20
> had the=3D20
> same opportunity.
>=3D20
> Any suggestions regarding materials and technique regarding=3D20
> typical=3D20
> maintenance and restorative
> procedures are welcome as well, of course.
>=3D20
> In particular... keel reattachment, hull deck joint, deck=3D20
> reinforcement,=3D20
> mast support, mast reconfiguration,
> and rigging, both standing and running, and rudder=3D20
> reinstallation... are=3D20
> of particular concern,
> as I'd hate like hell to bear this expense and later come to=3D20
> grief over=3D20
> a choice that could easily now be made
> that would have made a much more salutary difference in time to come.
>=3D20
> An additional note is that the standing rigging is what I assume=3D20
> was the=3D20
> original 'rod' rigging.
>=3D20
> My primary interest is not racing, rather cruising.
>=3D20
> Has anyone shortened or otherwise altered the original mast ?
>=3D20
> Has anyone gone outboard with the chainplates ?
>=3D20
> Please include intended consequences of any suggested alterations.
>=3D20
> Hoping to not cause a firestorm from Frers purists :-)
>=3D20
> In any case, no alterations have been yet made,...
>=3D20
> Appreciatively,
>=3D20
> Courtney Thomas
>=3D20
> --=3D20
> Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power,
> have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing
> government, and form a new one that suits them better,
> This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right,
> which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.
> Abraham Lincoln
>=3D20
> _______________________________________________
> frers-list mailing list
> frers-list@lists.frers=
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><td valign=3D3D"=3D
top" style=3D3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Joyce,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>If you think the Frers 33 is the sweetest sailing Frers ever des=
igned =3D
then you've never watched a Frers 36 sail away from you in a race.&nbsp=
; Th=3D
e handicap difference is just 15 seconds but the 36 is much stiffer in a br=
=3D
eeze, a lot&nbsp;more interior room and a much, much faster boat.&n=
bsp; Lik=3D
e a minute a mile faster.&nbsp; It's sails up, and Good by.&nbsp; T=
here's a=3D
 much larger difference between the two boats than just 36 inches.</DIV&=
gt;
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The only problem is they made relatively few of them with the as=
ymmetr=3D
ical keel and those are the really fast ones.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>Frank Albert</DIV>
<DIV>RELENTLESS</DIV>
<DIV>41621</DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 8/17/11, joberdorf@optonline.net <I>&lt;joberdorf@o=
=3D
ptonline.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LE=
FT: 5=3D
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: joberdorf@optonline.net &lt;joberdorf@opton=3D
line.net&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [<SPAN>frers</SPAN>-list=
]complete refit soon u=3D
nderway, what changes would you make ?<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<=3D
BR>Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 5:33 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3D3Dyiv1100525606>
<DIV>Courtney:</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I will let others speak to the class rules specifically. But suf=
fice i=3D
t to say that&nbsp; to significantly alter the boat would make the frer=
s a =3D
different boat. Barry Carroll got a lot right when he designed it. It was B=
=3D
oat of the Year at that time. By far, the sweetest sailing Frers.&nbsp;=
 Thi=3D
s has nothing to do with being a purist-- it has to do with the design of t=
=3D
he boat. </DIV>
<DIV>However, here is what I know:</DIV>
<DIV>1. Running backs have been modified on some boats (placement of =
on dec=3D
k varies, mostly between tiller and wheel boats)</DIV>
<DIV>2. Keel has been slightly modified on some boats.&nbsp; Wolv=
erine has =3D
a slightly shorter keel that's "thicker" (hence better downwind). Others, h=
=3D
ave the standard depth keel.&nbsp; Boats such as Impetuous, and Checkma=
te (=3D
which followed Impetuous' lead) faired the trailing edge and therefore exte=
=3D
nded it to a fine edge. So you'll see slight variations. But these are all =
=3D
allowed within class rules.</DIV>
<DIV>3. Never heard of anyone shortening the mast.&nbsp;I heard o=
f a Frers =3D
41 owner LENGthening the boom (whichis a real pain in the butt in light air=
=3D
 vis a vis the backstay)&nbsp;and another lengthening the mast and keep=
ing =3D
the boom. But these were entirely different boats.</DIV>
<DIV>4. Mast Steps have been strengthened in nearly every boat, over =
time. =3D
Mine was done by prior owner at New England Boatworks.</DIV>
<DIV>5. Rudder bearings have been changed in nearly every boat.&n=
bsp; For m=3D
e, twice so far in 15 yrs.</DIV>
<DIV>6. Most rod rigging is replaced as it wears, but not reconfigure=
d.&nbs=3D
p; In terms of other rigging, I've seen different mainsheet arrangements in=
=3D
 terms of block purchase vs. fine tune, and most boats have installed the H=
=3D
arken traveller system.</DIV>
<DIV>7. Spinnaker poles are now carbon fiber, etc, but not changed ot=
herwis=3D
e.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;I presume you bought the Frers because you actually li=
ked the bo=3D
at?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Joyce (Checkmate owner)</DIV>
<DIV><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: Courtney T=
homas <BR>Date: Mo=3D
nday, August 15, 2011 4:15 pm<BR>Subject: [frers-list]complete refit =
soon u=3D
nderway, what changes would you make ?<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<=3D
BR><BR>&gt; Ahoy !<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I am a=
bout to undertake a complete refi=3D
t of a Frers33 and would <BR>&gt; appreciate all input regarding&=
lt;BR>&gt; ch=3D
anges you would make vis-a-vis the original assemblage, if you <BR>&a=
mp;gt; had=3D
 the <BR>&gt; same opportunity.<BR>&gt; <BR>&=
gt; Any suggestions regarding =3D
materials and technique regarding <BR>&gt; typical <BR>&=
;gt; maintenance and=3D
 restorative<BR>&gt; procedures are welcome as well, of course.&l=
t;BR>&gt; <BR=3D
>&gt; In particular... keel reattachment, hull deck joint, deck <=
BR>&gt; re=3D
inforcement, <BR>&gt; mast support, mast reconfiguration,<BR&g=
t;&gt; and riggi=3D
ng, both standing and running, and rudder <BR>&gt; reinstallation=
... are <B=3D
R>&gt; of particular concern,<BR>&gt; as I'd hate like hel=
l to bear
 this expense and later come to <BR>&gt; grief over <BR>&am=
p;gt; a choice that =3D
could easily now be made<BR>&gt; that would have made a much more=
 salutary =3D
difference in time to come.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; An additio=
nal note is that the=3D
 standing rigging is what I assume <BR>&gt; was the <BR>&am=
p;gt; original 'rod'=3D
 rigging.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; My primary interest is not r=
acing, rather cruisi=3D
ng.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Has anyone shortened or otherwise =
altered the original=3D
 mast ?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Has anyone gone outboard with =
the chainplates ?<BR=3D
>&gt; <BR>&gt; Please include intended consequences of any=
 suggested altera=3D
tions.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Hoping to not cause a firestorm=
 from Frers purists =3D
:-)<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; In any case, no alterations have b=
een yet made,...<BR>=3D
&gt; <BR>&gt; Appreciatively,<BR>&gt; <BR>&am=
p;gt; Courtney Thomas<BR>&gt; <BR>=3D
&gt; -- <BR>&gt; Any people anywhere, being inclined and havi=
ng the power,<=3D
BR>&gt; have the right to rise up, and shake off the
 existing<BR>&gt; government, and form a new one that suits them =
better,<BR=3D
>&gt; This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right,<BR=
>&gt; whic=3D
h we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.<BR>&gt; Abraham =
Lincoln<BR=3D
>&gt; <BR>&gt; ___________________________________________=
____<BR>&gt; frer=3D
s-list mailing list<BR>&gt; frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>&gt; http://lis=3D
ts.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list<BR>&gt; </DIV>&l=
t;/DIV></BLOCKQUOTE=3D
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