From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue May 3 12:03:18 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 07:03:18 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Web site updates Message-ID: <7E8B491D-E8CF-41BC-986B-B75399498B9D@optonline.net> --Apple-Mail-1--304112549 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, Recent updates to the class web site: Once again, I have been remiss in updating the news for quite some time. We= have recently had one boat sold, another owner added to the list (#12 - wel= come John!) and probably scores of other activity I've missed. The boat rec= ently sold, Frers-a-Jack, had been in long term yard storage, so it will be g= ood for her get back out there. There are a couple of boats listed on Yacht= world if you know anyone looking. Wild Thing (Boston) is listed twice, Star= gazer (Boston), Mischief (Annapolis), and Mystified (Chicago). Vapor Trail (= MA) is also listed in our For Sale section. The biggest news from 2010 was our gathering in Branford in July. We manage= d to get 8 boats on the line, and got in 2 great days of racing. No real su= rprise that Wolverine was again the boat to beat, but I think Dave was feeli= ng the pressure from some of the other boats out there. We are slated to do= this over again this year (July 9-10), with a promise of squeezing more rac= es into the two days (weather permitting). The award for greatest distance t= raveled goes to Rod Stright and his crew who came down from Halifax to sail o= n other people's boats to get some experience. With a little luck Rod will b= ring Equinox down this year to "dance with her sisters". Judging by some of= the conversations, not only did everyone have a great time and promise to c= ome back, but in addition to Equinox there may be another boat in the wings t= o round the fleet out to ten boats this year. That will be an event not to m= iss! And more. Please check it out. Contributions/stories always welcome! Art Kelley --Apple-Mail-1--304112549 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
All,

Recent updates to the class web site:

Once again, I have been remiss in updating the news for quite some t= ime.  We have recently had one boat sold, another owner added to the li= st (#12 - welcome John!) and probably scores of other activity I've missed.&= nbsp; The boat recently sold, Frers-a-Jack, had been in long term yard stora= ge, so it will be good for her get back out there.  There are a couple o= f boats listed on Yachtworld if you know anyone looking.  Wild Thing (B= oston) is listed twice, Stargazer (Boston), Mischief (Annapolis), and Mystif= ied (Chicago).  Vapor Trail (MA) is also listed in our For Sale section= .

The biggest news from 2010 was our gathering in B= ranford in July.  We managed to get 8 boats on the line, and got in 2 g= reat days of racing.  No real surprise that Wolverine was again the boa= t to beat, but I think Dave was feeling the pressure from some of the other b= oats out there.  We are slated to do this over again this year (July 9-= 10), with a promise of squeezing more races into the two days (weather permi= tting).  The award for greatest distance traveled goes to Rod Stright a= nd his crew who came down from Halifax to sail on other people's boats to ge= t some experience.  With a little luck Rod will bring Equinox down this= year to "dance with her sisters".  Judging by some of the conversation= s, not only did everyone have a great time and promise to come back, but in a= ddition to Equinox there may be another boat in the wings to round the fleet= out to ten boats this year.  That will be an event not to miss!


And more. Please check it out. Contributions/stories alwa= ys welcome!

Art Kelley
= --Apple-Mail-1--304112549-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue May 10 21:47:57 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Courtney Thomas) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:47:57 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers33 Offshore Capable ? Message-ID: <4DC9A47D.2030809@bellsouth.net> Ahoy ! How suitable are the Frers33s for offshore work ? Transoceanic ? Are there any subscribers who've actually used one for bluewater cruising and if so: 1) how was it specifically outfitted for the voyage ? 2) what would you do differently if repeated ? 3) structurally adequate and if not, how would you alter ? 4) unalterable deficiencies ? 5) what passages were made ? Appreciatively, Courtney Thomas From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed May 11 01:42:10 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (FRANCIS ALBERT) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 17:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]Frers33 Offshore Capable ? Message-ID: <4924.9998.qm@web82905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've raced the Frere 33 extensively for the last 5 years over 500 miles and I would say this is NOT an offshore boat. It has to little freeboard and is much to tender of a boat. I've sailed the boat once in gale force winds and it was a constant effort to maintain control. Don't take this boat offshore. On Tue May 10th, 2011 4:47 PM EDT Courtney Thomas wrote: >Ahoy ! > >How suitable are the Frers33s for offshore work ? Transoceanic ? > >Are there any subscribers who've actually used one for bluewater >cruising and if so: > >1) how was it specifically outfitted for the voyage ? > >2) what would you do differently if repeated ? > >3) structurally adequate and if not, how would you alter ? > >4) unalterable deficiencies ? > >5) what passages were made ? > >Appreciatively, > >Courtney Thomas > > >_______________________________________________ >frers-list mailing list >frers-list@lists.frers33.com >http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed May 11 03:54:37 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 22:54:37 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers33 Offshore Capable ? In-Reply-To: <4924.9998.qm@web82905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4924.9998.qm@web82905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <58960310-486C-4AFE-A490-A67100E4F4C5@optonline.net> For a definitive answer you might reach out to Barrry Carrol who is still ac= tive after selling the boat building business. I have always thought of the b= oat more for coastal racing/cruising but with nothing to back that up. The c= onstruction is moderately light. The phrase "reef early" comes to mind. I've= done 10'+ waves with reefed main and #3 and clearly survived but don't know= the limits.=20 Art Kelley On May 10, 2011, at 8:42 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT wrote: > I've raced the Frere 33 extensively for the last 5 years over 500 miles an= d I would say this is NOT an offshore boat. It has to little freeboard and i= s much to tender of a boat. I've sailed the boat once in gale force winds an= d it was a constant effort to maintain control. Don't take this boat offshor= e. >=20 > On Tue May 10th, 2011 4:47 PM EDT Courtney Thomas wrote: >=20 >> Ahoy ! >>=20 >> How suitable are the Frers33s for offshore work ? Transoceanic ? >>=20 >> Are there any subscribers who've actually used one for bluewater >> cruising and if so: >>=20 >> 1) how was it specifically outfitted for the voyage ? >>=20 >> 2) what would you do differently if repeated ? >>=20 >> 3) structurally adequate and if not, how would you alter ? >>=20 >> 4) unalterable deficiencies ? >>=20 >> 5) what passages were made ? >>=20 >> Appreciatively, >>=20 >> Courtney Thomas >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >=20 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed May 11 12:36:22 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (FRANCIS ALBERT) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 04:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]Frers33 Offshore Capable ? In-Reply-To: <58960310-486C-4AFE-A490-A67100E4F4C5@optonline.net> Message-ID: <847191.16167.qm@web82906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-1739509768-1305113782=:16167 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Art, =A0 What were the winds in those 10 foot waves? =A0 Thanks, Frank Albert --- On Tue, 5/10/11, Arthur Kelley wrote: From: Arthur Kelley Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers33 Offshore Capable ? To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 10:54 PM For a definitive answer you might reach out to Barrry Carrol who is still a= ctive after selling the boat building business. I have always thought of th= e boat more for coastal racing/cruising but with nothing to back that up. T= he construction is moderately light. The phrase "reef early" comes to mind.= I've done 10'+ waves with reefed main and #3 and clearly survived but don'= t know the limits.=20 Art Kelley On May 10, 2011, at 8:42 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT wrote: > I've raced the Frere 33 extensively for the last 5 years over 500 miles a= nd I would say this is NOT an offshore boat. It has to little freeboard and= is much to tender of a boat. I've sailed the boat once in gale force winds= and it was a constant effort to maintain control. Don't take this boat off= shore. >=20 > On Tue May 10th, 2011 4:47 PM EDT Courtney Thomas wrote: >=20 >> Ahoy ! >>=20 >> How suitable are the Frers33s for offshore work ? Transoceanic ? >>=20 >> Are there any subscribers who've actually used one for bluewater >> cruising and if so: >>=20 >> 1) how was it specifically outfitted for the voyage ? >>=20 >> 2) what would you do differently if repeated ? >>=20 >> 3) structurally adequate and if not, how would you alter ? >>=20 >> 4) unalterable deficiencies ? >>=20 >> 5) what passages were made ? >>=20 >> Appreciatively, >>=20 >> Courtney Thomas >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >=20 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list --0-1739509768-1305113782=:16167 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Art,
 
What were the winds in those 10 foot waves?
 
Thanks,
Frank Albert

--- On Tue, 5/10/11, Arthur Kelley <akell= ey@optonline.net> wrote:

From: Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>=
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers33 Offshore Capable ?
To: "frers-list@= lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Date: Tuesday, M= ay 10, 2011, 10:54 PM

For a definitive answer you might reach out to Barrr= y Carrol who is still active after selling the boat building business. I ha= ve always thought of the boat more for coastal racing/cruising but with not= hing to back that up. The construction is moderately light. The phrase "ree= f early" comes to mind. I've done 10'+ waves with reefed main and #3 and cl= early survived but don't know the limits.

Art Kelley

On May = 10, 2011, at 8:42 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net> wrote:

> I've raced the F= rere 33 extensively for the last 5 years over 500 miles and I would say thi= s is NOT an offshore boat. It has to little freeboard and is much to tender= of a boat. I've sailed the boat once in gale force winds and it was a cons= tant effort to maintain control. Don't take this boat offshore.
>
> On Tue May 10th, 2011 4:47 PM EDT Courtney Thomas wrote:
> =
>> Ahoy !
>>
>> How suitable are the Frers33s = for offshore work ? Transoceanic ?
>>
>> Are there any s= ubscribers who've actually used one for bluewater
>> cruising and = if so:
>>
>> 1) how was it specifically outfitted for th= e voyage ?
>>
>> 2) what would you do differently if rep= eated ?
>>
>> 3) structurally adequate and if not, how w= ould you alter ?
>>
>> 4) unalterable deficiencies ?
= >>
>> 5) what passages were made ?
>>
>>= Appreciatively,
>>
>> Courtney Thomas
>>
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--0-1739509768-1305113782=:16167-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed May 11 15:33:57 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Courtney Thomas) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 10:33:57 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers33 Offshore Capable ? In-Reply-To: <58960310-486C-4AFE-A490-A67100E4F4C5@optonline.net> References: <4924.9998.qm@web82905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <58960310-486C-4AFE-A490-A67100E4F4C5@optonline.net> Message-ID: <4DCA9E55.7090807@bellsouth.net> Art, Thanks for the reply :-) How do I reach B.Carroll ? I'd very much like to hear his thoughts regarding possible Frers33 alterations for offshore work, if he supports such an idea. The Frers33 had some appeal for such a purpose in that it is presumably fast and I thought she might be relatively facile for single-handing as well. Your thoughts are appreciated. By the way, the former owner removed the keel, whose resetting recommendations I'd also like to hear, along with any other suggestions while the keel's off. Perhaps there's even an upside to this regarding implementing structural alterations that might be advised. Cordially, Courtney On 5/10/2011 10:54 PM, Arthur Kelley wrote: > For a definitive answer you might reach out to Barrry Carrol who is still active after selling the boat building business. I have always thought of the boat more for coastal racing/cruising but with nothing to back that up. The construction is moderately light. The phrase "reef early" comes to mind. I've done 10'+ waves with reefed main and #3 and clearly survived but don't know the limits. > > Art Kelley > > On May 10, 2011, at 8:42 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT wrote: > >> I've raced the Frere 33 extensively for the last 5 years over 500 miles and I would say this is NOT an offshore boat. It has to little freeboard and is much to tender of a boat. I've sailed the boat once in gale force winds and it was a constant effort to maintain control. Don't take this boat offshore. >> >> On Tue May 10th, 2011 4:47 PM EDT Courtney Thomas wrote: >> >>> Ahoy ! >>> >>> How suitable are the Frers33s for offshore work ? Transoceanic ? >>> >>> Are there any subscribers who've actually used one for bluewater >>> cruising and if so: >>> >>> 1) how was it specifically outfitted for the voyage ? >>> >>> 2) what would you do differently if repeated ? >>> >>> 3) structurally adequate and if not, how would you alter ? >>> >>> 4) unalterable deficiencies ? >>> >>> 5) what passages were made ? >>> >>> Appreciatively, >>> >>> Courtney Thomas >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> frers-list mailing list >>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed May 11 23:43:52 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 18:43:52 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers33 Offshore Capable ? In-Reply-To: <847191.16167.qm@web82906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <847191.16167.qm@web82906.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <395E9EBB-5F45-40E6-B3B2-7F22510B2264@optonline.net> --Apple-Mail-14-429121486 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That was 30-35 kt wind outside Buzzard's Bay. Double reefed main and #3. Th= at was my delivery first day after buying the boat. 8' waves much more commo= n on my various deliveries home from Newport.=20 Art Kelley On May 11, 2011, at 7:36 AM, FRANCIS ALBERT wrote: > Art, > =20 > What were the winds in those 10 foot waves? > =20 > Thanks, > Frank Albert >=20 > --- On Tue, 5/10/11, Arthur Kelley wrote: >=20 > From: Arthur Kelley > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers33 Offshore Capable ? > To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" > Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 10:54 PM >=20 > For a definitive answer you might reach out to Barrry Carrol who is still a= ctive after selling the boat building business. I have always thought of the= boat more for coastal racing/cruising but with nothing to back that up. The= construction is moderately light. The phrase "reef early" comes to mind. I'= ve done 10'+ waves with reefed main and #3 and clearly survived but don't kn= ow the limits.=20 >=20 > Art Kelley >=20 > On May 10, 2011, at 8:42 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT wrote: >=20 > > I've raced the Frere 33 extensively for the last 5 years over 500 miles a= nd I would say this is NOT an offshore boat. It has to little freeboard and i= s much to tender of a boat. I've sailed the boat once in gale force winds an= d it was a constant effort to maintain control. Don't take this boat offshor= e. > >=20 > > On Tue May 10th, 2011 4:47 PM EDT Courtney Thomas wrote: > >=20 > >> Ahoy ! > >>=20 > >> How suitable are the Frers33s for offshore work ? Transoceanic ? > >>=20 > >> Are there any subscribers who've actually used one for bluewater > >> cruising and if so: > >>=20 > >> 1) how was it specifically outfitted for the voyage ? > >>=20 > >> 2) what would you do differently if repeated ? > >>=20 > >> 3) structurally adequate and if not, how would you alter ? > >>=20 > >> 4) unalterable deficiencies ? > >>=20 > >> 5) what passages were made ? > >>=20 > >> Appreciatively, > >>=20 > >> Courtney Thomas > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> frers-list mailing list > >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com > >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > frers-list mailing list > > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list --Apple-Mail-14-429121486 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
That was 30-35 kt wind outside Buzzard'= s Bay. Double reefed main and #3.  That was my delivery first day after= buying the boat. 8' waves much more common on my various deliveries home fr= om Newport. 

Art Kelley

On May 11, 2011, at 7:36 A= M, FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodi= gy.net> wrote:

Art,
 
What were the winds in those 10 foot waves?
 
Thanks,
Frank Albert

--- On Tue, 5/10/11, Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net> wro= te:

From: Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frer= s33 Offshore Capable ?
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2= 011, 10:54 PM

For a definitive answer you might reach out to Barr= ry Carrol who is still active after selling the boat building business. I ha= ve always thought of the boat more for coastal racing/cruising but with noth= ing to back that up. The construction is moderately light. The phrase "reef e= arly" comes to mind. I've done 10'+ waves with reefed main and #3 and clearl= y survived but don't know the limits.

Art Kelley

On May 10, 2= 011, at 8:42 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>= wrote:

> I've raced the Frere 33 extensively for the last 5 years= over 500 miles and I would say this is NOT an offshore boat. It has to litt= le freeboard and is much to tender of a boat. I've sailed the boat once in g= ale force winds and it was a constant effort to maintain control. Don't take= this boat offshore.
>
> On Tue May 10th, 2011 4:47 PM EDT Courtney Thomas wrote:
> <= br>>> Ahoy !
>>
>> How suitable are the Frers33s fo= r offshore work ? Transoceanic ?
>>
>> Are there any subs= cribers who've actually used one for bluewater
>> cruising and if s= o:
>>
>> 1) how was it specifically outfitted for the voy= age ?
>>
>> 2) what would you do differently if repeated ?=
>>
>> 3) structurally adequate and if not, how would you= alter ?
>>
>> 4) unalterable deficiencies ?
>> <= br>>> 5) what passages were made ?
>>
>> Appreciati= vely,
>>
>> Courtney Thomas
>>
>>
= >> _______________________________________________
>> frers-l= ist mailing list
>> frers-list@list= s.frers33.com
>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frer= s-list
>
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> = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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= --Apple-Mail-14-429121486-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu May 12 11:43:08 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 06:43:08 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers33 Offshore Capable ? In-Reply-To: <4DCA9E55.7090807@bellsouth.net> References: <4924.9998.qm@web82905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <58960310-486C-4AFE-A490-A67100E4F4C5@optonline.net> <4DCA9E55.7090807@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Try him at Barry@summit-yachts.com Art Kelley On May 11, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Courtney Thomas wrote: > Art, >=20 > Thanks for the reply :-) >=20 > How do I reach B.Carroll ? I'd very much like to hear his thoughts regar= ding possible Frers33 alterations for offshore work, if he supports such an i= dea. >=20 > The Frers33 had some appeal for such a purpose in that it is presumably fa= st and I thought she might be relatively facile for single-handing as well. >=20 > Your thoughts are appreciated. >=20 > By the way, the former owner removed the keel, whose resetting recommendat= ions I'd also like to hear, along with any other suggestions while the keel'= s off. Perhaps there's even an upside to this regarding implementing structu= ral alterations that might be advised. >=20 > Cordially, >=20 > Courtney >=20 > On 5/10/2011 10:54 PM, Arthur Kelley wrote: >> For a definitive answer you might reach out to Barrry Carrol who is still= active after selling the boat building business. I have always thought of t= he boat more for coastal racing/cruising but with nothing to back that up. T= he construction is moderately light. The phrase "reef early" comes to mind. I= 've done 10'+ waves with reefed main and #3 and clearly survived but don't k= now the limits. >>=20 >> Art Kelley >>=20 >> On May 10, 2011, at 8:42 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT wrote:= >>=20 >>> I've raced the Frere 33 extensively for the last 5 years over 500 miles a= nd I would say this is NOT an offshore boat. It has to little freeboard and i= s much to tender of a boat. I've sailed the boat once in gale force winds an= d it was a constant effort to maintain control. Don't take this boat offshor= e. >>>=20 >>> On Tue May 10th, 2011 4:47 PM EDT Courtney Thomas wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Ahoy ! >>>>=20 >>>> How suitable are the Frers33s for offshore work ? Transoceanic ? >>>>=20 >>>> Are there any subscribers who've actually used one for bluewater >>>> cruising and if so: >>>>=20 >>>> 1) how was it specifically outfitted for the voyage ? >>>>=20 >>>> 2) what would you do differently if repeated ? >>>>=20 >>>> 3) structurally adequate and if not, how would you alter ? >>>>=20 >>>> 4) unalterable deficiencies ? >>>>=20 >>>> 5) what passages were made ? >>>>=20 >>>> Appreciatively, >>>>=20 >>>> Courtney Thomas >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> frers-list mailing list >>>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >>>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >>> _______________________________________________ >>> frers-list mailing list >>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu May 12 14:06:49 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Courtney Thomas) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 09:06:49 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers33 Offshore Capable ? In-Reply-To: References: <4924.9998.qm@web82905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <58960310-486C-4AFE-A490-A67100E4F4C5@optonline.net> <4DCA9E55.7090807@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <4DCBDB69.4050309@bellsouth.net> Art, Thanks so much. By the way, where's your home port ? Cordially, Courtney On 5/12/2011 6:43 AM, Arthur Kelley wrote: > Try him at Barry@summit-yachts.com > > Art Kelley > > On May 11, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Courtney Thomas wrote: > >> Art, >> >> Thanks for the reply :-) >> >> How do I reach B.Carroll ? I'd very much like to hear his thoughts regarding possible Frers33 alterations for offshore work, if he supports such an idea. >> >> The Frers33 had some appeal for such a purpose in that it is presumably fast and I thought she might be relatively facile for single-handing as well. >> >> Your thoughts are appreciated. >> >> By the way, the former owner removed the keel, whose resetting recommendations I'd also like to hear, along with any other suggestions while the keel's off. Perhaps there's even an upside to this regarding implementing structural alterations that might be advised. >> >> Cordially, >> >> Courtney >> >> On 5/10/2011 10:54 PM, Arthur Kelley wrote: >>> For a definitive answer you might reach out to Barrry Carrol who is still active after selling the boat building business. I have always thought of the boat more for coastal racing/cruising but with nothing to back that up. The construction is moderately light. The phrase "reef early" comes to mind. I've done 10'+ waves with reefed main and #3 and clearly survived but don't know the limits. >>> >>> Art Kelley >>> >>> On May 10, 2011, at 8:42 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT wrote: >>> >>>> I've raced the Frere 33 extensively for the last 5 years over 500 miles and I would say this is NOT an offshore boat. It has to little freeboard and is much to tender of a boat. I've sailed the boat once in gale force winds and it was a constant effort to maintain control. Don't take this boat offshore. >>>> >>>> On Tue May 10th, 2011 4:47 PM EDT Courtney Thomas wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ahoy ! >>>>> >>>>> How suitable are the Frers33s for offshore work ? Transoceanic ? >>>>> >>>>> Are there any subscribers who've actually used one for bluewater >>>>> cruising and if so: >>>>> >>>>> 1) how was it specifically outfitted for the voyage ? >>>>> >>>>> 2) what would you do differently if repeated ? >>>>> >>>>> 3) structurally adequate and if not, how would you alter ? >>>>> >>>>> 4) unalterable deficiencies ? >>>>> >>>>> 5) what passages were made ? >>>>> >>>>> Appreciatively, >>>>> >>>>> Courtney Thomas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> frers-list mailing list >>>>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >>>>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> frers-list mailing list >>>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >>>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >>> _______________________________________________ >>> frers-list mailing list >>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri May 13 18:48:31 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:48:31 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Frers33 Offshore Capable ? In-Reply-To: <4DCBDB69.4050309@bellsouth.net> References: <4924.9998.qm@web82905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <58960310-486C-4AFE-A490-A67100E4F4C5@optonline.net> <4DCA9E55.7090807@bellsouth.net> <4DCBDB69.4050309@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <298C1771-50B4-4139-A32A-4EB10AB9DCE4@optonline.net> Centerport, LI, between Huntington and Northport.=20 Art Kelley On May 12, 2011, at 9:06 AM, Courtney Thomas = wrote: > Art, >=20 > Thanks so much. >=20 > By the way, where's your home port ? >=20 > Cordially, >=20 > Courtney >=20 > On 5/12/2011 6:43 AM, Arthur Kelley wrote: >> Try him at Barry@summit-yachts.com >>=20 >> Art Kelley >>=20 >> On May 11, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Courtney Thomas wrote: >>=20 >>> Art, >>>=20 >>> Thanks for the reply :-) >>>=20 >>> How do I reach B.Carroll ? I'd very much like to hear his thoughts reg= arding possible Frers33 alterations for offshore work, if he supports such a= n idea. >>>=20 >>> The Frers33 had some appeal for such a purpose in that it is presumably f= ast and I thought she might be relatively facile for single-handing as well.= >>>=20 >>> Your thoughts are appreciated. >>>=20 >>> By the way, the former owner removed the keel, whose resetting recommend= ations I'd also like to hear, along with any other suggestions while the kee= l's off. Perhaps there's even an upside to this regarding implementing struc= tural alterations that might be advised. >>>=20 >>> Cordially, >>>=20 >>> Courtney >>>=20 >>> On 5/10/2011 10:54 PM, Arthur Kelley wrote: >>>> For a definitive answer you might reach out to Barrry Carrol who is sti= ll active after selling the boat building business. I have always thought of= the boat more for coastal racing/cruising but with nothing to back that up.= The construction is moderately light. The phrase "reef early" comes to mind= . I've done 10'+ waves with reefed main and #3 and clearly survived but don'= t know the limits. >>>>=20 >>>> Art Kelley >>>>=20 >>>> On May 10, 2011, at 8:42 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT wro= te: >>>>=20 >>>>> I've raced the Frere 33 extensively for the last 5 years over 500 mile= s and I would say this is NOT an offshore boat. It has to little freeboard a= nd is much to tender of a boat. I've sailed the boat once in gale force wind= s and it was a constant effort to maintain control. Don't take this boat off= shore. >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Tue May 10th, 2011 4:47 PM EDT Courtney Thomas wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Ahoy ! >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> How suitable are the Frers33s for offshore work ? Transoceanic ? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Are there any subscribers who've actually used one for bluewater >>>>>> cruising and if so: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 1) how was it specifically outfitted for the voyage ? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 2) what would you do differently if repeated ? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 3) structurally adequate and if not, how would you alter ? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 4) unalterable deficiencies ? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> 5) what passages were made ? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Appreciatively, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Courtney Thomas >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> frers-list mailing list >>>>>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >>>>>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> frers-list mailing list >>>>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >>>>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> frers-list mailing list >>>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >>>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >>>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> frers-list mailing list >>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >> _______________________________________________ >> frers-list mailing list >> frers-list@lists.frers33.com >> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon May 16 18:25:26 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (jim mormile) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:25:26 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]tuff luff Message-ID: <003201cc13ee$40b48ba0$0100a8c0@experimental.com> Does anyone know what size tuff luff we have ? Or what size tape, I think its 6 but not positive Thanks Jim From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon May 16 18:17:16 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dan Boyd) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:17:16 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]tuff luff In-Reply-To: <003201cc13ee$40b48ba0$0100a8c0@experimental.com> Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 005EF74785257892_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" WildThing is #6 Dan Boyd Global Capital Management Biogen Idec Inc dan.boyd@biogenidec.com +1.781.464.1914 (T) +1.617.212.0014 (M) +1.866.722.3783 (F) "jim mormile" Sent by: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com 16-May-2011 01:25 PM Please respond to frers-list@lists.frers33.com Message Size: 5.4 KB To cc Subject [frers-list]tuff luff Does anyone know what size tuff luff we have ? 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--=_alternative 005EF74785257892_=-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon May 16 22:03:31 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (jim mormile) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:03:31 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]tuff luff References: Message-ID: <000e01cc140c$b9ca0790$0100a8c0@experimental.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CC13EB.2EEBA820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Boyd=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Cc: frers-list@lists.frers33.com ; frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [frers-list]tuff luff WildThing is #6=20 Dan Boyd Global Capital Management Biogen Idec Inc dan.boyd@biogenidec.com +1.781.464.1914 (T) +1.617.212.0014 (M) +1.866.722.3783 (F) "jim mormile" =20 Sent by: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20 16-May-2011 01:25 PM Please respond to frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Message Size: 5.4 KB=20 To =20 cc =20 Subject [frers-list]tuff luff=20 =20 =20 Does anyone know what size tuff luff we have ? Or what size tape, I = think=20 its 6 but not positive Thanks Jim=20 _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CC13EB.2EEBA820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01CC13EB.2EEBA820-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue May 17 01:25:04 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Robert Connell) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]tuff luff In-Reply-To: <000e01cc140c$b9ca0790$0100a8c0@experimental.com> Message-ID: <936159.67306.qm@web161408.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> --0-1715778360-1305591904=:67306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim. Heartbeat has a #6, but some boats have a #5 --- On Mon, 5/16/11, jim mormile wrote: From: jim mormile Subject: Re: [frers-list]tuff luff To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 5:03 PM Thanks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Boyd=20 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20 Cc: frers-list@lists.frers33.com ; frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20 Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [frers-list]tuff luff WildThing is #6=20 Dan Boyd Global Capital Management Biogen Idec Inc dan.boyd@biogenidec.com +1.781.464.1914 (T) +1.617.212.0014 (M) +1.866.722.3783 (F) "jim mormile" =20 Sent by: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20 16-May-2011 01:25 PM=20 Please respond to frers-list@lists.frers33.com Message Size: 5.4 KB=20 To =20 cc Subject [frers-list]tuff luff Does anyone know what size tuff luff we have ? Or what size tape, I think= =20 its 6 but not positive =A0Thanks =A0 Jim=20 _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list --0-1715778360-1305591904=:67306 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --0-1715778360-1305591904=:67306-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue May 24 16:52:15 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Neal Melanson) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:52:15 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Does any one have pictures of end for end pole setup? Message-ID: --00151747801e73d91904a407923c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello all, Can anyone send me pictures/diagrams of their end for end pole setup? Thanks, Neal --00151747801e73d91904a407923c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
=A0
Can anyone send me pictures/diagra= ms=A0of their end for end pole setup?
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Thanks,
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Neal
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--00151747801e73d91904a407923c-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue May 24 23:21:28 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (FRANCIS ALBERT) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 15:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]Does any one have pictures of end for end pole setup? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <773596.87485.qm@web82903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-1894385098-1306275688=:87485 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Neal, =A0 What do you want pictures of, the pole, the sheets and guys'? =A0 Frank --- On Tue, 5/24/11, Neal Melanson wrote: From: Neal Melanson Subject: [frers-list]Does any one have pictures of end for end pole setup? To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 11:52 AM Hello all,=20 =A0 Can anyone send me pictures/diagrams=A0of their end for end pole setup? =A0 Thanks, =A0 Neal =A0 =A0 --0-1894385098-1306275688=:87485 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim. Heartbeat has a #6, but some boats have = a #5

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Neal,
 
What do you want pictures of, the pole, the sheets and guys'?
 
Frank

--- On Tue, 5/24/11, Neal Melanson <neal.melanso= n@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com&g= t;
Subject: [frers-list]Does any one have pictures of end for end pole s= etup?
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 1= 1:52 AM

Hello all,
 
Can anyone send me pictures/diagrams of their end for end pole se= tup?
 
Thanks,
 
Neal
 
 
--0-1894385098-1306275688=:87485-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue May 24 23:31:35 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Neal Melanson) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 18:31:35 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Does any one have pictures of end for end pole setup? In-Reply-To: <773596.87485.qm@web82903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <773596.87485.qm@web82903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: --00151747801e95da5404a40d26d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 the question I really have is how a topper and a downhaul/forguy are rigged. to a bridle with a fixed ring? or do the rings slide along on a piece of spectra? do the double sheet/guy get eliminated? What else? Thanks, Neal On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 6:21 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT wrote: > Neal, > > What do you want pictures of, the pole, the sheets and guys'? > > Frank > > --- On *Tue, 5/24/11, Neal Melanson * wrote: > > > From: Neal Melanson > Subject: [frers-list]Does any one have pictures of end for end pole setup? > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 11:52 AM > > > Hello all, > > Can anyone send me pictures/diagrams of their end for end pole setup? > > Thanks, > > Neal > > > > --00151747801e95da5404a40d26d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
the question I really have is how a topper and a downhaul/forguy are r= igged.
=A0
to a bridle with a fixed ring?
= =A0
or do the rings slide along on a piece of spectra?
= =A0
do the double sheet/guy get eliminated?
=A0
What e= lse?
=A0
=A0
Thanks,
=A0
= Neal

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Neal,
=A0
What do you want pictures of, the pole, the sheets and guys'?
=A0
Frank

--- On Tue, 5/24/11, Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com> wrote:

= From: Neal Melanson <
neal.melanson@gmail.com>
Subject: [frers-list]Does any one have pictures of end for end pole setup?<= br>To: fr= ers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 11:52 AM


Hello all,
=A0
Can anyone send me pictures/diagrams=A0of their end for end pole setup= ?
=A0
Thanks,
=A0
Neal
=A0
=A0

--00151747801e95da5404a40d26d3-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed May 25 03:34:49 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (frers-list@lists.frers33.com) Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 22:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [frers-list]Does any one have pictures of end for end pole setup? In-Reply-To: References: <773596.87485.qm@web82903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDE89B73E62FAE-AAC-16B91@webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CDE89B73F477F4_AAC_25502_webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We use a fixed ring above and below the pole and in the center one for the = topping lift and one for the guy. We do not use double sheets or guys rout= inely keeps it simple. -----Original Message----- From: Neal Melanson To: frers-list Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 2:33 pm Subject: Re: [frers-list]Does any one have pictures of end for end pole set= up? the question I really have is how a topper and a downhaul/forguy are rigged= . =20 to a bridle with a fixed ring?=20 =20 or do the rings slide along on a piece of spectra? =20 do the double sheet/guy get eliminated? =20 What else? =20 =20 Thanks, =20 Neal On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 6:21 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT wrot= e: Neal, =20 What do you want pictures of, the pole, the sheets and guys'? =20 Frank --- On Tue, 5/24/11, Neal Melanson wrote: From: Neal Melanson Subject: [frers-list]Does any one have pictures of end for end pole setup? To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 11:52 AM Hello all,=20 =20 Can anyone send me pictures/diagrams of their end for end pole setup? =20 Thanks, =20 Neal =20 =20 =20 ----------MB_8CDE89B73F477F4_AAC_25502_webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" We use a fixed ring above and b= elow the pole and in the center one for the topping lift and one for the gu= y.  We do not use double sheets or guys routinely keeps it simple.



-----= Original Message-----
From: Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com>
To: frers-list <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Does any one have pictures of end for end pole set= up?

the question I really have is how a topper and a downhaul/forguy are r= igged.
 
to a bridle with a fixed ring?
 
or do the rings slide along on a piece of spectra?
 
do the double sheet/guy get eliminated?
 
What else?
 
 
Thanks,
 
Neal

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 6:21 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT = <fxalbert@prod= igy.net> wrote:
Neal,
 
What do you want pictures of, the pole, the sheets and guys'?
 
Frank

--- On Tue, 5/24/11, Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Neal Melanson <neal.mel= anson@gmail.com>
Subject: [frers-list]Does any one have pictures of end for end pole setup?<= br> To: frers-list@lists.frers3= 3.com
Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 11:52 AM


Hello all,
 
Can anyone send me pictures/diagrams of their end for end pole se= tup?
 
Thanks,
 
Neal
 
 

----------MB_8CDE89B73F477F4_AAC_25502_webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed May 25 12:49:02 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Arthur Kelley) Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 07:49:02 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Traveler Advisory Message-ID: <32196B61-7F81-49D1-A21B-1560FB550717@optonline.net> Is that a catchy subject line or what? Last weekend the shackle embedded in my Harken windward sheeting traveler ca= r, which I believe was pretty standard on these boats, let go. When the shee= t pulled away it made a royal mess of the sheetmetal component of the self t= acking mechanism. Harken rep advised with the amount of damage I had, repair= s might be almost as much as a new car ($500). I will post an FAQ in the nex= t week or so as I have learned a lot about how this was assembled, what need= s to be replaced etc. but in the end total repairs are going to run about $8= 00 due to changes in designs, frozen bolts, etc. If the mechanism had not be= en damaged Harken would have replaced the shackle and bearings for $75. If y= ou've never had the car serviced, it can be removed by removing 1 bolt unde= r the port end of track, removing the control end and sliding the Traveler o= ff. The bearings will escape! Send to harken and have them replace shackle.= Remember this stuff is 20 years old and subject to high loads and metal fat= igue.=20 Art Kelley= From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun May 29 16:15:41 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Carl Gish) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 08:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]frers stuff for sale Message-ID: <635202.21249.qm@web38202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-236060016-1306682141=:21249 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone is interested=A0I have some gear I am looking to get rid of and a= nd am =0Awilling to onload cheap..=0A=A0=0A1) set of sheets and guys with s= hackles - in good condition=0A=A0=0A2) 0.5 oz North AP kite used but great = spare, practice, delivery sail. - light =0Ablue, no repairs=0A=A0=0A3) Alum= inum spinaker pole=0A=A0=0A4) UK Tape Drive main with slugs=0A=A0=0A5) Dini= ng table (teak, folding - connects to port bulkead aft of head=0A=A0=0AIf i= nterested, let me know soon. I am in Southern CT.=0A=A0=0AThanks=0A=0ACarl --0-236060016-1306682141=:21249 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If anyone is interested I have some gear I am looking to get r= id of and and am willing to onload cheap..

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1) set = of sheets and guys with shackles - in good condition

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2) 0.5 oz North AP kite used but great spare, practice, delivery sail. -= light blue, no repairs

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3) Aluminum spinaker pole<= /P>=0A

 

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4) UK Tape Drive main with slugs

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5) Dining table (teak, folding - connects to port bulkead aft of he= ad

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If interested, let me know soon. I am in Southe= rn CT.

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Thanks

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--0-236060016-1306682141=:21249-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun May 29 21:28:28 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Courtney Thomas) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 16:28:28 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]frers stuff for sale In-Reply-To: <635202.21249.qm@web38202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <635202.21249.qm@web38202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DE2AC6C.4010908@bellsouth.net> Carl, What are you asking for 1,2 & 3, please ? Thanks, Courtney On 5/29/2011 11:15 AM, Carl Gish wrote: > If anyone is interested I have some gear I am looking to get rid of and > and am willing to onload cheap.. > > 1) set of sheets and guys with shackles - in good condition > > 2) 0.5 oz North AP kite used but great spare, practice, delivery sail. - > light blue, no repairs > > 3) Aluminum spinaker pole > > 4) UK Tape Drive main with slugs > > 5) Dining table (teak, folding - connects to port bulkead aft of head > > If interested, let me know soon. I am in Southern CT. > > Thanks > > > Carl > -- "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better.This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world." Abraham Lincoln "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun May 29 22:17:49 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Carl Gish) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 14:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]frers stuff for sale In-Reply-To: <4DE2AC6C.4010908@bellsouth.net> References: <635202.21249.qm@web38202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4DE2AC6C.4010908@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <410037.55937.qm@web38207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-598959162-1306703869=:55937 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll sell you the lot for $500. How about it?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________= _________________=0AFrom: Courtney Thomas = =0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0ASent: Sun, May 29, 2011 4:28:28 PM=0A= Subject: Re: [frers-list]frers stuff for sale=0A=0ACarl,=0A=0AWhat are you = asking for 1,2 & 3, please ?=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0ACourtney=0A=0AOn 5/29/2011 1= 1:15 AM, Carl Gish wrote:=0A> If anyone is interested I have some gear I am= looking to get rid of and=0A> and am willing to onload cheap..=0A>=0A> 1) = set of sheets and guys with shackles - in good condition=0A>=0A> 2) 0.5 oz = North AP kite used but great spare, practice, delivery sail. -=0A> light bl= ue, no repairs=0A>=0A> 3) Aluminum spinaker pole=0A>=0A> 4) UK Tape Drive m= ain with slugs=0A>=0A> 5) Dining table (teak, folding - connects to port bu= lkead aft of head=0A>=0A> If interested, let me know soon. I am in Southern= CT.=0A>=0A> Thanks=0A>=0A>=0A> Carl=0A>=0A=0A-- =0A"Any people anywhere, b= eing inclined and having the power, have the =0Aright to rise up, and shake= off the existing=A0 government, and form a new =0Aone that suits them bett= er.This is a most valuable - a most sacred right =0A- a right, which we hop= e and believe, is to liberate the world."=0AAbraham Lincoln=0A"Government i= s not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, =0Ait is a dange= rous servant and a fearful master."=0AGeorge Washington=0A_________________= ______________________________=0Afrers-list mailing list=0Afrers-list@lists= .frers33.com=0Ahttp://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list=0A --0-598959162-1306703869=:55937 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll sell you the lot for $500. How about it?
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=0AFrom: Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net&= gt;
To: frers-list@lists= .frers33.com
Sent: Sun, = May 29, 2011 4:28:28 PM
Subject: Re: [frers-list]frers stuff for sale

Carl,

Wh= at are you asking for 1,2 & 3, please ?

Thanks,

Courtney<= BR>
On 5/29/2011 11:15 AM, Carl Gish wrote:
> If anyone is interes= ted I have some gear I am looking to get rid of and
> and am willing = to onload cheap..
>
> 1) set of sheets and guys with shackles -= in good condition
>
> 2) 0.5 oz North AP kite used but great s= pare, practice, delivery sail. -
> light blue, no repairs
>
= > 3) Aluminum spinaker pole
>
> 4) UK Tape Drive main with s= lugs
>
> 5) Dining table (teak, folding - connects to port bulkead aft of head
>
> If interest= ed, let me know soon. I am in Southern CT.
>
> Thanks
>>
> Carl
>

--
"Any people anywhere, being incli= ned and having the power, have the
right to rise up, and shake off the = existing  government, and form a new
one that suits them better.Th= is is a most valuable - a most sacred right
- a right, which we hope an= d believe, is to liberate the world."
Abraham Lincoln
"Government is = not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire,
it is a danger= ous servant and a fearful master."
George Washington
________________= _______________________________
frers-list mailing list
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
http://lists.frers33.com/mailma= n/listinfo/frers-list
--0-598959162-1306703869=:55937-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun May 29 22:25:00 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Richard Saunders) Date: Sun, 29 May 2011 14:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]frers stuff for sale In-Reply-To: <410037.55937.qm@web38207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <635202.21249.qm@web38202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4DE2AC6C.4010908@bellsouth.net> <410037.55937.qm@web38207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <869808.68596.qm@web83813.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> --0-418504764-1306704300=:68596 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Carl, I'm interested in the main only.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________= __________=0AFrom: Carl Gish =0ATo: frers-list@lists.fr= ers33.com=0ASent: Sun, May 29, 2011 5:17:49 PM=0ASubject: Re: [frers-list]f= rers stuff for sale=0A=0A=0AI'll sell you the lot for $500. How about it?= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Courtney Thomas =0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=0ASent: Sun= , May 29, 2011 4:28:28 PM=0ASubject: Re: [frers-list]frers stuff for sale= =0A=0ACarl,=0A=0AWhat are you asking for 1,2 & 3, please ?=0A=0AThanks,=0A= =0ACourtney=0A=0AOn 5/29/2011 11:15 AM, Carl Gish wrote:=0A> If anyone is i= nterested I have some gear I am looking to get rid of and=0A> and am willin= g to onload cheap..=0A>=0A> 1) set of sheets and guys with shackles - in go= od condition=0A>=0A> 2) 0.5 oz North AP kite used but great spare, practice= , delivery sail. -=0A> light blue, no repairs=0A>=0A> 3) Aluminum spinaker = pole=0A>=0A> 4) UK Tape Drive main with slugs=0A>=0A> 5) Dining table (teak= , folding - connects to port bulkead aft of head=0A>=0A> If interested, let= me know soon. I am in Southern CT.=0A>=0A> Thanks=0A>=0A>=0A> Carl=0A>=0A= =0A-- =0A"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have th= e =0Aright to rise up, and shake off the existing=A0 government, and form a= new =0Aone that suits them better.This is a most valuable - a most sacred = right =0A- a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world."= =0AAbraham Lincoln=0A"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is = force! Like fire, =0Ait is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."=0AGeo= rge Washington=0A_______________________________________________=0Afrers-li= st mailing list=0Afrers-list@lists.frers33.com=0Ahttp://lists.frers33.com/m= ailman/listinfo/frers-list=0A --0-418504764-1306704300=:68596 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Carl, I'm interested in the main only.
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=0AFrom: Carl Gish <carlgish@yahoo.com>
= To: frers-list@lists.frers3= 3.com
Sent: Sun, May 29,= 2011 5:17:49 PM
Subject: Re: [frers-list]frers stuff for sale

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I'll sell yo= u the lot for $500. How about it?
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=0A
=0AFrom: Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net>
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 4:28:28 = PM
Subject: Re: [frers-l= ist]frers stuff for sale

Carl,

What are you asking for= 1,2 & 3, please ?

Thanks,

Courtney

On 5/29/2011 1= 1:15 AM, Carl Gish wrote:
> If anyone is interested I have some gear = I am looking to get rid of and
> and am willing to onload cheap..
= >
> 1) set of sheets and guys with shackles - in good condition>
> 2) 0.5 oz North AP kite used but great spare, practice, deliv= ery sail. -
> light blue, no repairs
>
> 3) Aluminum spin= aker pole
>
> 4) UK Tape Drive main with slugs
>
> = 5) Dining table (teak, folding - connects to port bulkead aft of head
>
> If interest= ed, let me know soon. I am in Southern CT.
>
> Thanks
>>
> Carl
>

--
"Any people anywhere, being incli= ned and having the power, have the
right to rise up, and shake off the = existing  government, and form a new
one that suits them better.Th= is is a most valuable - a most sacred right
- a right, which we hope an= d believe, is to liberate the world."
Abraham Lincoln
"Government is = not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire,
it is a danger= ous servant and a fearful master."
George Washington
________________= _______________________________
frers-list mailing list
frers-list@lists.frers33.c= om
http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list
--0-418504764-1306704300=:68596-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon May 30 20:34:00 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Courtney Thomas) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 15:34:00 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]frers stuff for sale In-Reply-To: <410037.55937.qm@web38207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <635202.21249.qm@web38202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4DE2AC6C.4010908@bellsouth.net> <410037.55937.qm@web38207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DE3F128.50103@bellsouth.net> Carl, My boat is currently in St.Augustine but I personally [by truck] will be headed to Nova Scotia possibly sometime in June but will not be traveling through Connecticut. Any chance of your dropping off the equipment somewhere west of Connecticut prior to my passing by, and my paying and picking it up at that time ? Cordially, Courtney On 5/29/2011 5:17 PM, Carl Gish wrote: > I'll sell you the lot for $500. How about it? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Courtney Thomas > *To:* frers-list@lists.frers33.com > *Sent:* Sun, May 29, 2011 4:28:28 PM > *Subject:* Re: [frers-list]frers stuff for sale > > Carl, > > What are you asking for 1,2 & 3, please ? > > Thanks, > > Courtney > > On 5/29/2011 11:15 AM, Carl Gish wrote: > > If anyone is interested I have some gear I am looking to get rid of and > > and am willing to onload cheap.. > > > > 1) set of sheets and guys with shackles - in good condition > > > > 2) 0.5 oz North AP kite used but great spare, practice, delivery sail. - > > light blue, no repairs > > > > 3) Aluminum spinaker pole > > > > 4) UK Tape Drive main with slugs > > > > 5) Dining table (teak, folding - connects to port bulkead aft of head > > > > If interested, let me know soon. I am in Southern CT. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Carl > > > > -- > "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the > right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new > one that suits them better.This is a most valuable - a most sacred right > - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world." > Abraham Lincoln > "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, > it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." > George Washington > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list -- "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better.This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world." Abraham Lincoln "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon May 30 20:35:31 2011 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Courtney Thomas) Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 15:35:31 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]frers stuff for sale In-Reply-To: <410037.55937.qm@web38207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <635202.21249.qm@web38202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4DE2AC6C.4010908@bellsouth.net> <410037.55937.qm@web38207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DE3F183.3010408@bellsouth.net> Carl, Neglected to say that I'm interested in all of 1,2 & 3, or none. Courtney On 5/29/2011 5:17 PM, Carl Gish wrote: > I'll sell you the lot for $500. How about it? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Courtney Thomas > *To:* frers-list@lists.frers33.com > *Sent:* Sun, May 29, 2011 4:28:28 PM > *Subject:* Re: [frers-list]frers stuff for sale > > Carl, > > What are you asking for 1,2 & 3, please ? > > Thanks, > > Courtney > > On 5/29/2011 11:15 AM, Carl Gish wrote: > > If anyone is interested I have some gear I am looking to get rid of and > > and am willing to onload cheap.. > > > > 1) set of sheets and guys with shackles - in good condition > > > > 2) 0.5 oz North AP kite used but great spare, practice, delivery sail. - > > light blue, no repairs > > > > 3) Aluminum spinaker pole > > > > 4) UK Tape Drive main with slugs > > > > 5) Dining table (teak, folding - connects to port bulkead aft of head > > > > If interested, let me know soon. I am in Southern CT. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Carl > > > > -- > "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the > right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new > one that suits them better.This is a most valuable - a most sacred right > - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world." > Abraham Lincoln > "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, > it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." > George Washington > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list -- "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better.This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world." Abraham Lincoln "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington