From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Aug 16 08:42:12 2012
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 03:42:12 -0400
Subject: [frers-list]Where to buy a suitable tarp for a Frers33 ?
Message-ID: <502CA454.60502@bellsouth.net>
What are the groups suggestions for the sources for proper tarps for..
1- a hot humid climate, and
2- a colder drier climate
and generally, how to avoid problems with outdoor storage ?
Thanks again for all the help,
Courtney Thomas
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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Aug 17 16:37:10 2012
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Edgar Smith)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:37:10 -0400
Subject: [frers-list]Where to buy a suitable tarp for a Frers33 ?
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Pachyderm has a cover that was purchased by the previous owner from =
Miller Marine Canvas.
Miller Marine Canvas
282 Woodmont Road Milford, CT 06460
(203) 878-9291
Fairclough Sailmakers in New haven also has a good reputation for =
covers. (203) 787-2322
Fairclough Sailmakers Inc.
620 Ella T. Grasso Blvd.
New Haven, CT. 06519
Perhaps they Miller still has a pattern. I suspect that it it is best to =
find a local canvas company to measure and do the job. Our cover =
consists of a canvas fitted tarp and a bent-metal frame in about 30 =
pieces. It covers the boat to the waterline and has a zippered access =
door. The pieces of the frame are heavy and large, as is the tarp. It =
would cost a lot to ship. The only prep we do for covering is to wash =
the boat winterize the engine, head and water system. (I have our yard =
do the winterizing for me). After a winter storm, I sometimes clear the =
cover of heavy snow and ice. Our yard does not permit any heaters etc, =
but we have had no problem with moisture.
Edgar Smith
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Pachyderm has a cover that was purchased by the previous owner from Miller Marine Canvas.Miller Marine Canvas
282 Woodmont Road Milford, CT 06460
(203) 878-9291 |
Fairclough Sailmakers in New haven also has a good reputation for covers. (203) 787-2322
Fairclough Sailmakers Inc.
620 Ella T. Grasso Blvd.
New Haven, CT. 06519
Perhaps they Miller still has a pattern. I suspect that it it is best to find a local canvas company to measure and do the job. Our cover consists of a canvas fitted tarp and a bent-metal frame in about 30 pieces. It covers the boat to the waterline and has a zippered access door. The pieces of the frame are heavy and large, as is the tarp. It would cost a lot to ship. The only prep we do for covering is to wash the boat winterize the engine, head and water system. (I have our yard do the winterizing for me). After a winter storm, I sometimes clear the cover of heavy snow and ice. Our yard does not permit any heaters etc, but we have had no problem with moisture.
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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Aug 17 18:14:20 2012
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bill Thompson)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 13:14:20 -0400
Subject: [frers-list]Where to buy a suitable tarp for a Frers33 ?
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D'Ad Lib has a winter cover from Fairclough, now 4 seasons old, did a fine
job through a Quebec winter last year.
Bill Thompson
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith
Sent: August-17-12 11:37 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Where to buy a suitable tarp for a Frers33 ?
Pachyderm has a cover that was purchased by the previous owner from Miller
Marine Canvas.
Miller Marine Canvas
282 Woodmont Road Milford, CT 06460
(203) 878-9291
Fairclough Sailmakers in New haven also has a good reputation for covers.
(203) 787-2322
Fairclough Sailmakers Inc.
620 Ella T. Grasso Blvd.
New Haven, CT. 06519
Perhaps they Miller still has a pattern. I suspect that it it is best to
find a local canvas company to measure and do the job. Our cover consists of
a canvas fitted tarp and a bent-metal frame in about 30 pieces. It covers
the boat to the waterline and has a zippered access door. The pieces of the
frame are heavy and large, as is the tarp. It would cost a lot to ship. The
only prep we do for covering is to wash the boat winterize the engine, head
and water system. (I have our yard do the winterizing for me). After a
winter storm, I sometimes clear the cover of heavy snow and ice. Our yard
does not permit any heaters etc, but we have had no problem with moisture.
Edgar Smith
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D’Ad Lib has a winter cover from Fairclough, now 4 seasons old, =
did a fine job through a Quebec winter last =
year.
Bill Thompson
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Smith
Sent: August-17-12 11:37 AM
To: =
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Where to buy =
a suitable tarp for a Frers33 ?
Pachyderm =
has a cover that was purchased by the previous owner from Miller =
Marine Canvas.
Miller Marine =
Canvas
282 Woodmont Road Milford, CT =
06460
(203) =
878-9291 |
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div>
Fairclough Sailmakers in New haven also has a =
good reputation for covers. (203) 787-2322
Fairclough Sailmakers Inc.
620 =
Ella T. Grasso Blvd.
New Haven, CT. 06519
Perhaps they Miller still has a pattern. I suspect =
that it it is best to find a local canvas company to measure and do the =
job. Our cover consists of a canvas fitted tarp and a bent-metal frame =
in about 30 pieces. It covers the boat to the waterline and has a =
zippered access door. The pieces of the frame are heavy and large, as is =
the tarp. It would cost a lot to ship. The only prep we do for covering =
is to wash the boat winterize the engine, head and water system. (I have =
our yard do the winterizing for me). After a winter storm, I sometimes =
clear the cover of heavy snow and ice. Our yard does not permit any =
heaters etc, but we have had no problem with =
moisture.
Fellow Frers Owners,
On Saturday, September 8th, the Housatonic Boat =
Club will host it's annual Invitational race. Race start time is noon=
and we expect between 30 and 40 boats. The race is followed by a gre=
at party with lots of food and drink at no charge to racers.
Each year, HBC invites the Frers Class to hold a=
one design race. Just five boats are needed for a one design class.&=
nbsp; Last year, we had only four boats and HBC still awarded separate trop=
hies to the Frers Class top finishers. As you know both Ted and I con=
sider HBC home and we will be racing First Edition and Risoluto. =
;That means we alredy have two Frers 33's in attendance. Who else wan=
ts to make the trip?
Bob keeps Audacious just around the bend in Milf=
ord. Bob, are you in?
Jack - It's a short trip for Sling Shot... are y=
ou up for another Spinaker race this year?
Ed, are you interested in bringing Pachyderm dow=
n from Branford?
Art - you up for making the crossing?
Dave, Westbrook may be a haul for Wolverine, but=
you're welcome to drive down and sail on one of our boats if you don't wan=
t to bring yours down.
FYI to all- the Beneteau 36.7 class has chosen t=
he HBC Invitational for a One Design venue this year, so my club will be ho=
sting a fleet of Benetau's.
This race is always a great time, would love to =
see several of you one last time before the end of the season.
Scott
Scott, we can't make the trip with Black=
Hawk but I would be willing to crew if you need it. I may be ab=
le to bring one more of our crew also. Let me know.
Thanks, Bob
--- On Mon, 8/20/12, Scott Marino <scottam=
arino@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Scott Marino <scottamarino@yahoo.com>=
Subject: [frers-list]Housatonic Boat Club Invitational - 9/8/12
To: =
"Frers 33 list serv" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Date: Monday, =
August 20, 2012, 10:26 PM
Fellow Frers Owners,
On Saturday, September 8th, the Housatonic Boat Club will host it's an=
nual Invitational race. Race start time is noon and we expect between=
30 and 40 boats. The race is followed by a great party with lots of =
food and drink at no charge to racers.
Each year, HBC invites the Frers Class to hold a one design race. =
; Just five boats are needed for a one design class. Last year, we ha=
d only four boats and HBC still awarded separate trophies to the Frers Clas=
s top finishers. As you know both Ted and I consider HBC home and we =
will be racing First Edition and Risoluto. That means we alredy =
have two Frers 33's in attendance. Who else wants to make the trip?
Bob keeps Audacious just around the bend in Milford. Bob, are yo=
u in?
Jack - It's a short trip for Sling Shot... are you up for another Spin=
aker race this year?
Ed, are you interested in bringing Pachyderm down from Branford?
Art - you up for making the crossing?
Dave, Westbrook may be a haul for Wolverine, but you're welcome to dri=
ve down and sail on one of our boats if you don't want to bring yours down.=
FYI to all- the Beneteau 36.7 class has chosen the HBC Invitational fo=
r a One Design venue this year, so my club will be hosting a fleet of Benet=
au's.
This race is always a great time, would love to see several of you one=
last time before the end of the season.
Scott
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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Aug 27 19:16:14 2012
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Michael Argyelan)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:16:14 -0500
Subject: [frers-list]Sail Measurements
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Hi everyone, I'm new to the list and have a strange request that is time
sensitive. Does anyone have a phrf cert with sail measurements on them? I
signed up for a race and they want a phrf cert and I'm not certain I can
obtain one in time/get my sails to a sailmaker, oh, today, to get them
measured/ etc. Any help?
I hope this finds you all well.
Best,
--
Michael Argyelan
Owner and Operations Manager
Go Sailing Chicago
www.gosailingchicago.com
Where our name says it all, Go Sailing Chicago!
773.710.SAIL (7245)
michael@gosailingchicago.com
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Hi everyone, I'm new to the list and have a strange request that is tim=
e sensitive. =A0Does anyone have a phrf cert with sail measurements on them=
? =A0I signed up for a race and they want a phrf cert and I'm not certa=
in I can obtain one in time/get my sails to a sailmaker, oh, today, to get =
them measured/ etc. =A0Any help? =A0
I hope this finds you all well.
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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Aug 28 00:08:11 2012
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Dave Nauber)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:08:11 -0400
Subject: [frers-list]Sail Measurements
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Hi Michael,
=20
You can go to this link: http://join.ecsa.net/cert2011.aspx?b=3D3220to =
see the Wolverine PHRF certificate measurements. That's a quick =
reference you can use for filling out the forms. If they want to see =
sail measurement certificates for every sail, then you'll have to get =
them for your particular sails by either measurement or by having the =
sail maker check his files to see if he already has them. Good luck!
Regards,
=20
Dave
=20
From:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Michael =
Argyelan
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:16 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Sail Measurements
=20
Hi everyone, I'm new to the list and have a strange request that is time =
sensitive. Does anyone have a phrf cert with sail measurements on them? =
I signed up for a race and they want a phrf cert and I'm not certain I =
can obtain one in time/get my sails to a sailmaker, oh, today, to get =
them measured/ etc. Any help? =20
=20
I hope this finds you all well.
=20
Best,
=20
--=20
Michael Argyelan
Owner and Operations Manager
Go Sailing Chicago
www.gosailingchicago.com
Where our name says it all, Go Sailing Chicago!
773.710.SAIL (7245)=20
michael@gosailingchicago.com
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Hi =
Michael,
You can go to this link: http://join.ecsa.net=
/cert2011.aspx?b=3D3220
to see the Wolverine PHRF certificate measurements. That’s a quick
reference you can use for filling out the forms. If they want to see =
sail
measurement certificates for every sail, then you’ll have to get =
them for
your particular sails by either measurement or by having the sail maker =
check
his files to see if he already has them. Good luck!
Regards,
Dave
From:
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Michael Argyelan
Sent: Monday, August 27, =
2012 2:16
PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Sail
Measurements
Hi everyone, I'm new to the list and have a strange request that =
is
time sensitive. Does anyone have a phrf cert with sail =
measurements on
them? I signed up for a race and they want a phrf cert and I'm not
certain I can obtain one in time/get my sails to a sailmaker, oh, today, =
to get
them measured/ etc. Any help?
I hope this finds you all well.
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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Aug 28 14:18:34 2012
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Joyce Oberdorf)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:18:34 -0400
Subject: [frers-list]Sail Measurements
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Sails can be different measurements, particularly depending on the area in
which you sail. Western LIS, for example, jibs are allowed to be one
dimension, and used to be, these boats were penalized for this dimension in
Boston area. So you do need to know your sail measurements for a proper
rating.
On 8/27/12 7:08 PM, "Dave Nauber" wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> =20
> You can go to this link: http://join.ecsa.net/cert2011.aspx?b=3D3220 to see=
the
> Wolverine PHRF certificate measurements. That=B9s a quick reference you can=
use
> for filling out the forms. If they want to see sail measurement certifica=
tes
> for every sail, then you=B9ll have to get them for your particular sails by
> either measurement or by having the sail maker check his files to see if =
he
> already has them. Good luck!
>=20
> Regards,
> =20
> Dave
> =20
>=20
>=20
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Michael Argyelan
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:16 PM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: [frers-list]Sail Measurements
> =20
> Hi everyone, I'm new to the list and have a strange request that is time
> sensitive. Does anyone have a phrf cert with sail measurements on them? =
I
> signed up for a race and they want a phrf cert and I'm not certain I can
> obtain one in time/get my sails to a sailmaker, oh, today, to get them
> measured/ etc. Any help?
>=20
> =20
>=20
> I hope this finds you all well.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Best,
> =20
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Re: [frers-list]Sail Measurements
Sails can be different measurements, particularly depending on the area in which you sail. Western LIS, for example, jibs are allowed to be one dimension, and used to be, these boats were penalized for this dimension in Boston area. So you do need to know your sail measurements for a proper rating.
On 8/27/12 7:08 PM, "Dave Nauber" <dnauber@classeaudio.com> wrote:
Hi Michael,
You can go to this link: http://join.ecsa.net/cert2011.aspx?b=3220 to see the Wolverine PHRF certificate measurements. That’s a quick reference you can use for filling out the forms. If they want to see sail measurement certificates for every sail, then you’ll have to get them for your particular sails by either measurement or by having the sail maker check his files to see if he already has them. Good luck!
Regards,
Dave
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Michael Argyelan
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 2:16 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Sail Measurements
Hi everyone, I'm new to the list and have a strange request that is time sensitive. Does anyone have a phrf cert with sail measurements on them? I signed up for a race and they want a phrf cert and I'm not certain I can obtain one in time/get my sails to a sailmaker, oh, today, to get them measured/ etc. Any help?
I hope this finds you all well.
Best,
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From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Aug 29 14:29:34 2012
From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Edgar Smith)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:29:34 -0400
Subject: [frers-list]Sail Measurements
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Hi Michael:
Hopefully you are already rated and entered, but you shouldn't need to =
take your sails to a sailmaker to be measured. There is a diagram of =
where the measurements are taken on the same website where you found =
Wolverine's PHRF certificate under Regs, Defs, Adjs. This is not rocket =
science, I measured the sails for my first boat with a tape measure in =
the parking lot. The main measurement I would be concerned about is the =
LP (Distance perpendicular from the luff to the clew of the jib). As =
Joyce mentioned, Wolverine has a 155% jib, and your sail might be =
different. Even this is not necessary if it is labeled 155% on the sail =
bag. If your boat was perviously raced with your current sails, it it =
pretty safe to assume they are within the class dimensions. Also some =
PHRF regions give you a credit for roller furling jibs if that is how =
you are rigged. Check with your measurer when you submit the form. In =
the future you can ask for measurement certificates when you buy new =
sails.=20
And good luck in the race! Let us all know how it goes.
Edgar Smith
Pachyderm=
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Hi =
Michael:
Hopefully you are already rated and entered, =
but you shouldn't need to take your sails to a sailmaker to be measured. =
There is a diagram of where the measurements are taken on the same =
website where you found Wolverine's PHRF certificate under Regs, Defs, =
Adjs. This is not rocket science, I measured the sails for my first boat =
with a tape measure in the parking lot. The main measurement I =
would be concerned about is the LP (Distance perpendicular from the luff =
to the clew of the jib). As Joyce mentioned, Wolverine has a 155% jib, =
and your sail might be different. Even this is not necessary if it is =
labeled 155% on the sail bag. If your boat was perviously raced with =
your current sails, it it pretty safe to assume they are within the =
class dimensions. Also some PHRF regions give you a credit for roller =
furling jibs if that is how you are rigged. Check with your measurer =
when you submit the form. In the future you can ask for measurement =
certificates when you buy new sails.
And good =
luck in the race! Let us all know how it =
goes.
=
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