From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Jun 4 04:46:43 2012 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Scott Marino) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]Light wind sailing techniques Message-ID: <1338781603.23455.YahooMailNeo@web130203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --1018391901-1596272900-1338781603=:23455 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fellow Frers 33 sailors,=0A=A0=0AThe racing season has started, and so has = my frustration.=A0 The last two weekends have produced=A0winds ranging from= 1.2kts to 3.3 kts while I have been on the race course.=A0 Yesterday I dro= pped a three minute lead to a J24 that virtually crawled up on me at a weat= her mark where I was virtually standing still fighting against the current.= =A0 It was a repeat of last week.=0A=A0=0AI would love to hear how you guys= get your boats moving in super light wind.=A0 Please include genoa car loc= ation, traveler location, genoa draft, mainsail set up, crew position, etc.= =0A=A0=0ALooking forward to the dialogue.=0A=A0=0AScott --1018391901-1596272900-1338781603=:23455 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fellow Frers 33 sailors,
 
The racing season has started, and so has my fru= stration.  The last two weekends have produced winds ranging from= 1.2kts to 3.3 kts while I have been on the race course.  Yesterday I = dropped a three minute lead to a J24 that virtually crawled up on me at a w= eather mark where I was virtually standing still fighting against the curre= nt.  It was a repeat of last week.
 
I would love to hear how you guys get your boats= moving in super light wind.  Please include genoa car location, trave= ler location, genoa draft, mainsail set up, crew position, etc.
 
Looking forward to the dialogue.
 
Scott
<= /body> --1018391901-1596272900-1338781603=:23455-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Jun 4 04:52:22 2012 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Scott Marino) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 20:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]Headstay length and other rig tuning issues Message-ID: <1338781942.21606.YahooMailNeo@web130203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --1018391901-1892234536-1338781942=:21606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable More info needed on setting up the rig.=0A=A0=0AHeadstay length:=A0 The tun= ing guide says the headstay should be 46' at its' longest for light winds.= =A0 Where is the exact location that this measurement is taken?=A0 I suspec= t my headstay is too long.=A0 I have it tightened completely and I think I'= m longer than 46'.=0A=A0=0AI have excessive headstay sag.=A0 Wondering what= to do about that.=0A=A0=0AI have set up the rig exactly as the tuning guid= e suggests and I think I have too much rake.=A0 The entire mast appears to = be canted aft.=0A=A0=0AI have too much pre-bend, but not sure how to get ri= d of it.=A0 Tuning guide suggests 12 inches at the boom, I have 20 inches a= t the boom.=0A=A0=0AThoughts?=0A=A0=0AScott=0ARisoluto --1018391901-1892234536-1338781942=:21606 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
More info needed on setting up the rig.
 
Headstay length:  The tuning guide says the= headstay should be 46' at its' longest for light winds.  Where is the= exact location that this measurement is taken?  I suspect my headstay= is too long.  I have it tightened completely and I think I'm longer t= han 46'.
 
I have excessive headstay sag.  Wondering w= hat to do about that.
 
I have set up the rig exactly as the tuning guid= e suggests and I think I have too much rake.  The entire mast appears = to be canted aft.
 
I have too much pre-bend, but not sure how to ge= t rid of it.  Tuning guide suggests 12 inches at the boom, I have 20 i= nches at the boom.
 
Thoughts?
 
Scott
Risoluto
 
 
= --1018391901-1892234536-1338781942=:21606-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Jun 4 16:31:19 2012 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Edgar Smith) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:31:19 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Re: Light wind sailing techniques (Scott Marino) Message-ID: <70A55B01-04A5-4AAE-B0C7-0DAB98A24A34@geomatrixproductions.com> Hi Scott: O.K. I=92ll take a shot at this =96 but you should read the excellent = tuning guide on the Frers 33 website and get some advice from people = with more years in the boat than me. =20 I=92ve found the Frere 33 to be a very good light air boat, right up to = total drift conditions, (where lighter boats with less wetted surface = will still have an advantage) I think the big elliptical keel keeps flow = longer than newer boats with smaller keels. =20 Are you getting too much weather helm? Your rig set-up does sound a = little out of wack. You might want to consider having a good rigger tune = it for you and make recommendations if your stay lenghts are way off or = if the step is in the wrong spot. Try asking chuck Poindexter = chuck@soundrigging.com I had a rigger in our yard tune the boat last = year and I took careful measurements and pictures so I could duplicate = his settings as a starting point this year. =20 I=92m echoing the tuning guide, but in under 5 knots, of breeze keep the = boat moving at all costs. Don=92t worry about pointing. Don=92t tack = unless the shift is huge or you see the new wind. Don=92t pinch. Twist = of your main and keep the tell-tales flowing off the top batten. Your = outhaul should be eased so the foot bellies about 6=94 away from the = boom. Backstay should be way off, not floppy - but no more. You should = see plenty of headstay sag which will power up your jib. If you have pre = bend in the rig, then some gentle tension on the runners could help add = draft back into the main =96 (although I don=92t find this necessary = with the cut of our main) =20 Get crew weight forward and as far to leeward as needed. Just the = helmsman should be in the cockpit. Sheet out the jib at least a foot off = the spreaders. Sheet out even more after a tack, until you reach the = speed you saw on the previous tack, then slowly sheet in. If the sail = is drooping, have the closest crewmember hold the clew up braced against = the lifeline. You want the slot to be open =96 especially with the main = twisted off. This would mean easing back the jib lead, but there is no = specific setting as this will depend on how much you sheet in and out. = And if you change the lead, you will also need to adjust the sheet. Your = trimmer needs to be able to look at the slot near the upper spreader and = see if it is open or choked. Don=92t loose your nerve if you seem to be = sagging off against other boats, as long as you are moving. Most racers = pinch in light conditions. If you are heading to the new wind, you will = get there first. Have everyone on the crew looking around for the new = breeze and try to get there first. Also, have a book of matches aboard = and watch where the smoke goes if the wind goes really dead. This can = give you an advantage detecting a big shift before your competitors. And = finally be ready to change all your these settings as soon as the new = breeze arrives. =20 Some other things to consider: Is the bottom smooth and clean? I = wet-sand the bottom before launching and dive to clean it before every = race, even Wednesday night races. Have you marked the propeller shaft so = the blades can be lined up in the vertical position and locked the = transmission by shifting into reverse? If the blades are horizontal, = the bottom blade will hang open, or even worse spin. Do you have decent = sails? We replaced a North 3DL main that came with our boat, that had = just 3 (albeit heavy) seasons of use. Have you made the boat as light as = class rules allow? There is virtually nothing aboard Pachyderm that we = don=92t need for the race or are required to have on board. This = includes getting only partial fill ups of Diesel and no water in the = main tanks. (We carry enough drinking water in jugs). We also store = absolutely nothing forward of the mast. Some boats even use a cooler on = the floor by the mast instead of the built in ice-box. =20 Edgar - Pachyderm= From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Jun 4 18:02:21 2012 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:02:21 -0300 Subject: [frers-list]Light Air Techniques and Rig Tuning Message-ID: <000b01cd4273$ce685a30$6b390e90$@ca> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CD425A.A91B2230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Scott, I compiled the tuning guide with a lot of valuable input from our most accomplished Frers 33 racers. With respect to the measurements: 1. The headstay length is measured pin to pin. If you have a RF unit they could have added the unit and not readjusted the overall length of the headstay. I had to add a shackle to the headstay to get it to 46' even. 2. Edgar's suggestions re light air sailing are bang on as far as I'm concerned. 3. Smooth bottom is critical, especially on the Frers 33 because of the eliptical keel and rudder induce more drag so quite often we foot off for speed in light air to get the boat moving then gradually head up but speed is critical in light airs, once you get the boat moving the drag of the elliptical keel and rudder is turned into lift once the boat is moving well in light airs, most boats can't point with it. 4. There are some rig measurements in the tuning guide, including shroud tension, and those for Equinox work well. A rigger might help if he knows the boat well. Softer is better in light airs. 5. You need good sails of course and I find that in light airs full batten mains aren't that effective. Normally the battens are too stiff and they don't shape that well. The lighter mains really come into their own. Good sails are really important in light airs and you need to be able to shape them to take advantage of them in light airs. 6. Crew positions to leeward and fwd in light airs to reduce wetted surface list the boat to leeward and help fill the sails. 7. You mentioned prebend of 20". I assume you are speaking of rake and that does seem a bit excessive although it shouldn't affect you in light airs. It should give you excessive weather helm in heavier airs. Prebend should only be an inch or two and that is measured from the top of the mast to the gooseneck with relatively little pressure on the backstay. It should correspond to the luff curve that the sailmaker has built into your mainsail. It is normally 2-4". When you put on a lot of backstay tension to keep your headstay tight in heavy airs you need your checkstay to help control your mast bend otherwise your main will look like a sheet of plywood or worse. 8. Keep weight out of the ends of the boat and keep the crew out of the cockpit unless you need them. 9. It is often possible to be stopped or stalled and have a small light boat catch up. It happens to all of us from time to time. 10. Clean air, good sails, good crew, smooth bottom, don't pinch .. foot in light airs I did a lot of research and had a lot of great input in compiling the tuning guide and I find it to be quite accurate so I stick by it and we, unfortunately do not have the advantage of racing other Frers 33s, do very well in racing PHRF especially in light airs (under 10 kts). Regards Rod ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CD425A.A91B2230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Scott,

 

I compiled the tuning guide with a lot of valuable = input from our most accomplished Frers 33 racers.  With respect to = the measurements:

 

1.      = The headstay length is measured pin to = pin.  If you have a RF unit they could have added the unit and not = readjusted the overall length of the headstay.  I had to add a = shackle to the headstay to get it to 46' even.

2.      = Edgar's suggestions re light air sailing are = bang on as far as I'm concerned.

3.      = Smooth bottom is critical, especially on the = Frers 33 because of the eliptical keel and rudder induce more drag so = quite often we foot off for speed in light air to get the boat moving = then gradually head up but speed is critical in light airs, once you get = the boat moving the drag of the elliptical keel and rudder is turned = into lift once the boat is moving well in light airs, most boats can't = point with it.

4.      = There are some rig measurements in the tuning = guide, including shroud tension,  and those for Equinox work = well.  A rigger might help if he knows the boat well.  Softer = is better in light airs.

5.      = You need good sails of course and I find that in = light airs full batten mains aren't that effective.  Normally the = battens are too stiff and they don't shape that well.  The lighter = mains really come into their own.  Good sails are really important = in light airs and you need to be able to shape them to take advantage of = them in light airs.

6.      = Crew positions to leeward and fwd in light airs = to reduce wetted surface list the boat to leeward and help fill the = sails.

7.      = You mentioned prebend of 20".  I = assume you are speaking of rake and that does seem a bit excessive = although it shouldn't affect you in light airs.  It should give you = excessive weather helm in heavier airs.  Prebend should only be an = inch or two and that is measured from the top of the mast to the = gooseneck with relatively little pressure on the backstay.  It = should correspond to the luff curve that the sailmaker has built into = your mainsail.  It is normally 2-4".  When you put on a = lot of backstay tension to keep your headstay tight in heavy airs you = need your checkstay to help control your mast bend otherwise your main = will look like a sheet of plywood or worse.

8.      = Keep weight out of the ends of the boat and keep = the crew out of the cockpit unless you need them.

9.      = It is often possible to be stopped or stalled = and have a small light boat catch up.  It happens to all of us from = time to time.

10.   = Clean air, good sails, good crew, smooth bottom, = don't pinch .. foot in light airs

 

I did a lot = of research and had a lot of great input in compiling the tuning guide = and I find it to be quite accurate so I stick by it and we, = unfortunately do not have the advantage of racing other Frers 33s, do = very well in racing PHRF especially in light airs (under 10 = kts).

 

Regards

Rod

------=_NextPart_000_000C_01CD425A.A91B2230-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Jun 4 18:07:25 2012 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (FRANCIS ALBERT) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 10:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]Headstay length and other rig tuning issues In-Reply-To: <1338781942.21606.YahooMailNeo@web130203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1338829645.52167.YahooMailClassic@web82901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --1475850080-430790967-1338829645=:52167 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott, =A0 I've never measured my head stay length but I've set my mast nearly vertica= l.=A0 I doubt I have 12 inches of prebend in mine, more like 2 inches, and = it seems to work well.=A0 As for light air sailing I wish I had the answers= .=A0 One think I will say and it was surprising.=A0 We started to over trim= the genoa so that it was actually up hard against the upper spreader.=A0 W= hat we found was in that really light air the boat liked that and would mov= e better.=A0 Don't know why.=A0 Backstay is at 500 LBS with a deep sag and = hand tight on all the halyards.=A0=20 =A0 More than any other thing though is luck.=A0 In that really super light win= d almost everyone is sailing in a different wind line.=A0 I've been both lu= cky and unlucky with that, passing boats I never pass and then being passed= by boats that rarely pass me.=A0=20 =A0 A lot of the time in the light stuff the wind never makes it all the way do= wn to the water so it's only up at the top of the mast were you have any wi= nd.=A0 Sorry I couldn't offer better advise but I know your pain. =A0 Frank Albert RELENTLESS 41621 =A0 --- On Sun, 6/3/12, Scott Marino wrote: From: Scott Marino Subject: [frers-list]Headstay length and other rig tuning issues To: "Frers 33 list serv" Date: Sunday, June 3, 2012, 11:52 PM More info needed on setting up the rig. =A0 Headstay length:=A0 The tuning guide says the headstay should be 46' at its= ' longest for light winds.=A0 Where is the exact location that this measure= ment is taken?=A0 I suspect my headstay is too long.=A0 I have it tightened= completely and I think I'm longer than 46'. =A0 I have excessive headstay sag.=A0 Wondering what to do about that. =A0 I have set up the rig exactly as the tuning guide suggests and I think I ha= ve too much rake.=A0 The entire mast appears to be canted aft. =A0 I have too much pre-bend, but not sure how to get rid of it.=A0 Tuning guid= e suggests 12 inches at the boom, I have 20 inches at the boom. =A0 Thoughts? =A0 Scott Risoluto =A0 =A0 --1475850080-430790967-1338829645=:52167 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Scott,
 
I've never measured my head stay length but I've set my mast nearly ve= rtical.  I doubt I have 12 inches of prebend in mine, more like 2 inch= es, and it seems to work well.  As for light air sailing I wish I had = the answers.  One think I will say and it was surprising.  We sta= rted to over trim the genoa so that it was actually up hard against the upp= er spreader.  What we found was in that really light air the boat like= d that and would move better.  Don't know why.  Backstay is at 50= 0 LBS with a deep sag and hand tight on all the halyards. 
 
More than any other thing though is luck.  In that really super l= ight wind almost everyone is sailing in a different wind line.  I've b= een both lucky and unlucky with that, passing boats I never pass and then b= eing passed by boats that rarely pass me. 
 
A lot of the time in the light stuff the wind never makes it all the w= ay down to the water so it's only up at the top of the mast were you have a= ny wind.  Sorry I couldn't offer better advise but I know your pain.
 
Frank Albert
RELENTLESS
41621
 


--- On Sun, 6/3/12, Scott Marino <scotta= marino@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Scott Marino <scottamarino@yahoo.com>=
Subject: [frers-list]Headstay length and other rig tuning issues
To:= "Frers 33 list serv" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Date: Sunday,= June 3, 2012, 11:52 PM

More info needed on setting up the rig.
 
Headstay length:  The tuning guide says the headstay should be 46= ' at its' longest for light winds.  Where is the exact location that t= his measurement is taken?  I suspect my headstay is too long.  I = have it tightened completely and I think I'm longer than 46'.
 
I have excessive headstay sag.  Wondering what to do about that.<= /DIV>
 
I have set up the rig exactly as the tuning guide suggests and I think= I have too much rake.  The entire mast appears to be canted aft.
 
I have too much pre-bend, but not sure how to get rid of it.  Tun= ing guide suggests 12 inches at the boom, I have 20 inches at the boom.
 
Thoughts?
 
Scott
Risoluto
 
 
--1475850080-430790967-1338829645=:52167-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Jun 4 21:50:48 2012 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Edgar Smith) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:50:48 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Off Soundings Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-12--241403782 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A third of Class C2 at Spring Off Soundings are Frers! Of 18 boats there = are four Frers 33s and two are Frers 36s. Let's get even more of our = class out for the fall. Guest applications are available on the OSC = website.=20 http://offsoundings.org/=20 It's a really fun race, in two beautiful locations with a great party. = Best of all the sprit boats are in another class and Dave Nauber has a = 25 percent penalty for past wins, so there is an outside chance of = beating him on corrected. Pachyderm be tracking with Kattack and will = post pictures on the Frers 33 Facebook page... --Apple-Mail-12--241403782 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
A third of Class C2 at Spring Off Soundings are Frers! Of 18 boats there are four Frers 33s and two are Frers 36s. Let's get even more of our class out for the fall. Guest applications are available on the OSC website. 
http://offsoundings.org/

It's a really fun race, in two beautiful locations with a great party. Best of all the sprit boats are in another class and Dave Nauber has a 25 percent penalty for past wins, so there is an outside chance of beating him on corrected. Pachyderm be tracking with Kattack and will post pictures on the Frers 33 Facebook page...

--Apple-Mail-12--241403782-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Jun 5 00:40:27 2012 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Robert Connell) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]Headstay length and other rig tuning issues In-Reply-To: <1338781942.21606.YahooMailNeo@web130203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1338853227.17538.YahooMailClassic@web161406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> --122454116-1864420642-1338853227=:17538 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott, we sail our Tuff Luff at 46' 1"=A0 which works well up to upper teen= s, then shorten 1", our Harken R/F is set at 46', beeter for cruising. The = R/F does not sail as well in light air.The uppers are at 40, D2's at 25 and= D1's about 10-15.Almost no back stay tention, about 11/2 -2" of mast bend.= Hope this helps. --- On Sun, 6/3/12, Scott Marino wrote: From: Scott Marino Subject: [frers-list]Headstay length and other rig tuning issues To: "Frers 33 list serv" Date: Sunday, June 3, 2012, 11:52 PM More info needed on setting up the rig. =A0 Headstay length:=A0 The tuning guide says the headstay should be 46' at its= ' longest for light winds.=A0 Where is the exact location that this measure= ment is taken?=A0 I suspect my headstay is too long.=A0 I have it tightened= completely and I think I'm longer than 46'. =A0 I have excessive headstay sag.=A0 Wondering what to do about that. =A0 I have set up the rig exactly as the tuning guide suggests and I think I ha= ve too much rake.=A0 The entire mast appears to be canted aft. =A0 I have too much pre-bend, but not sure how to get rid of it.=A0 Tuning guid= e suggests 12 inches at the boom, I have 20 inches at the boom. =A0 Thoughts? =A0 Scott Risoluto =A0 =A0 --122454116-1864420642-1338853227=:17538 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Scott, we sail our Tuff Luff at 46' 1"  = which works well up to upper teens, then shorten 1", our Harken R/F is set = at 46', beeter for cruising. The R/F does not sail as well in light air.The= uppers are at 40, D2's at 25 and D1's about 10-15.Almost no back stay tent= ion, about 11/2 -2" of mast bend. Hope this helps.

--- On Sun, 6/= 3/12, Scott Marino <scottamarino@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Scott Marino <scottamarino@yahoo.com>=
Subject: [frers-list]Headstay length and other rig tuning issues
To:= "Frers 33 list serv" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Date: Sunday,= June 3, 2012, 11:52 PM

More info needed on setting up the rig.
 
Headstay length:  The tuning guide says the headstay should be 46= ' at its' longest for light winds.  Where is the exact location that t= his measurement is taken?  I suspect my headstay is too long.  I = have it tightened completely and I think I'm longer than 46'.
 
I have excessive headstay sag.  Wondering what to do about that.<= /DIV>
 
I have set up the rig exactly as the tuning guide suggests and I think= I have too much rake.  The entire mast appears to be canted aft.
 
I have too much pre-bend, but not sure how to get rid of it.  Tun= ing guide suggests 12 inches at the boom, I have 20 inches at the boom.
 
Thoughts?
 
Scott
Risoluto
 
 
--122454116-1864420642-1338853227=:17538-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Wed Jun 6 02:26:20 2012 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (David Nauber) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 18:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [frers-list]Off Soundings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1338945980.89561.YahooMailNeo@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> ---1252958027-1163964869-1338945980=:89561 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable With a 25% penalty (which means we have to sail to a 68 rating), there is p= retty much a certainty of beating us, but Edgar, being the defending North = American Champion, is actually the boat to beat and he's sailing with a 15%= penalty for placing last Spring and Fall so there's at least an outside ch= ance of beating him as well! It's great to see the concentration of Frers 3= 3s and now two Frers 36s for Off Soundings. Tough competition in a class wi= th some of the best boats in the area with ratings down to 68 makes for a c= hallenging but fairly grouped class.=0A=0AAs Edgar said, it's a great event= in beautiful sailing venues, so add Off Soundings to your bucket list. You= won't regret it.=0A=0ADN=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From:= Edgar Smith =0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers3= 3.com =0ASent: Monday, June 4, 2012 4:50 PM=0ASubject: [frers-list]Off Soun= dings=0A =0A=0AA third of Class C2 at Spring Off Soundings are Frers! Of 18= boats there are four Frers 33s and two are Frers 36s. Let's get even more = of our =0Aclass out for the fall. Guest applications are available on the O= SC =0Awebsite.=A0=0Ahttp://offsoundings.org/ =0A=0AIt's a really fun race, = in two beautiful locations with a great party. =0ABest of all the sprit boa= ts are in another class and Dave Nauber has a =0A25 percent penalty for pas= t wins, so there is an outside chance of beating him =0Aon corrected. Pachy= derm be tracking with Kattack and will post pictures on the Frers 33 Facebo= ok page... ---1252958027-1163964869-1338945980=:89561 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
With a 25%= penalty (which means we have to sail to a 68 rating), there is pretty much= a certainty of beating us, but Edgar, being the defending North American C= hampion, is actually the boat to beat and he's sailing with a 15% penalty f= or placing last Spring and Fall so there's at least an outside chance of be= ating him as well! It's great to see the concentration of Frers 33s and now= two Frers 36s for Off Soundings. Tough competition in a class with some of= the best boats in the area with ratings down to 68 makes for a challenging= but fairly grouped class.

As = Edgar said, it's a great event in beautiful sailing venues, so add Off Soun= dings to your bucket list. You won't regret it.

DN=

From: Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixprod= uctions.com>
To: fr= ers-list@lists.frers33.com
Sent:= Monday, June 4, 2012 4:50 PM
Subject: [frers-list]Off Soundings
=0A
A=0A third of Class C2 at Spring = Off Soundings are Frers! Of 18 boats there=0A are four Frers 33s and two ar= e Frers 36s. Let's get even more of our =0Aclass out for the fall. Guest ap= plications are available on the OSC =0Awebsite. 
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=0A It's a really fun race, in two beauti= ful locations with a great party. =0ABest of all the sprit boats are in ano= ther class and Dave Nauber has a =0A25 percent penalty for past wins, so th= ere is an outside chance of beating him =0Aon corrected. Pachyderm be track= ing with Kattack and will post pictures on the Frers 33 Facebook page...



---1252958027-1163964869-1338945980=:89561-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Jun 29 18:13:13 2012 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Edgar Smith) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:13:13 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]North Americans Message-ID: --Apple-Mail-10--241942611 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pachyderm just sent in her entries for the BYC/POYC/Frers 33 NAs. Just = two weeks away. Let's get a great turn out this year! These are two very = well run races, with experienced committees and great parties. And the = one design racing is way more fun than PHRF. It's a great opportunity to = test yourself against other boats and learn about how to go fast. Get = you crew lined up! We'll see you there. Edgar Smith Pachyderm= --Apple-Mail-10--241942611 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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