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On Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 PM, mart=C3=ADn contal <martin06@contal.ca> wrote:

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Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this messag= e since I've=20 been having some issues with my frers-list registration. Hope it'll work=20 now:

My surveyor=20 indicated that I need to replace the cutlass bearing and the shipyard where "austral" currently=20 stays is quoting me the following:

"Remove=20 rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and shaft and replace cutlass bearing:12 hrs of labour US$1,276 total=20 ".

I'm t= old that they=20 cannot remove the shaft without removing the rudder.

Knowing that=20 my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts about rudder bearing= =20 issues, etc. I rather leave it undisturbed. So, I've gone through all the frers-list=20 archives since 2004 to this date, as well as the FAQs in search of tips. Seems to me that it shouldn't be nece= ssary to=20 remove the rudder at all.

If anyone who went through this work c= ould share some advice=20 and experience it'll be much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by nex= t=20 week).

Mart= in

&= nbsp;

martin=20 contal

: :=20 austral

ottawa, canada

613=20 286 7189

= --Boundary_(ID_FPgpA/bZFqcmX29ewGSTNQ)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Feb 4 00:17:58 2016 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 00:17:58 +0000 Subject: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice In-Reply-To: References: <133344BC29B84AB6AE83938D75D7A3FB@MARTINHP>, Message-ID: <169E312F80B4C044BE2DC1780A7DE72F11AA27@hfxexc11.impgroup.com> Wrap a line around prop and bend strut. That way while you are paying someo= ne to remove strut to fix it everything is easy. Also super expensive. Neve= r had to remove rudder The downside was that only was cutlass bearing worn but so was shaft at sam= e place. New shift was $1200 CAD. Mike Persistence Halifax, NS ________________________________________ From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.co= m] on behalf of Arthur Kelley [akelley@optonline.net] Sent: February 3, 2016 7:55 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice My yard wanted to cut and replace the shaft, but similar price. I replaced mine myself without removing the shaft. Cost me about $50 I thin= k. This is the professional tool to do the job. http://www.strutpro.com/ If you poke about on the Internet there are plans to build the tool yoursel= f. It's nothing more than a couple of plates, one with a 1" hole (remove p= rop anyway) and the other with a 1" slot to slide over the leading side. A = couple of hefty threaded rods and a sleeve, which is the trickiest part to = size. Here is a video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE# Another club member needed to do the same job and he's a machinist. I provi= ded the plans, threaded rods and nuts and he made the plates and sleeve (co= llet) out of scraps. 2 set screws on one side, don't remember which, came out easily but I was p= repared for the worst. I think it only took me an hour or two. Art On Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 PM, mart=EDn contal > wrote: Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message since I've been having some issues= with my frers-list registration. Hope it'll work now: My surveyor indicated that I need to replace the cutlass bearing and the sh= ipyard where "austral" currently stays is quoting me the following: "Remove rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and shaft and replace cutlass bea= ring:12 hrs of labour US$1,276 total ". I'm told that they cannot remove the shaft without removing the rudder. Knowing that my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts about = rudder bearing issues, etc. I rather leave it undisturbed. So, I've gone th= rough all the frers-list archives since 2004 to this date, as well as the F= AQs in search of tips. Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to remove= the rudder at all. If anyone who went through this work could share some advice and experience= it'll be much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by next week). Martin martin contal : : austral ottawa, canada 613 286 7189 From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Feb 4 13:58:31 2016 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?mart=EDn_contal?=) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 08:58:31 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice In-Reply-To: <169E312F80B4C044BE2DC1780A7DE72F11AA27@hfxexc11.impgroup.com> References: <133344BC29B84AB6AE83938D75D7A3FB@MARTINHP>, <169E312F80B4C044BE2DC1780A7DE72F11AA27@hfxexc11.impgroup.com> Message-ID: Thank you gentlemen for your sharing your experience, information and advice! Clearly, removing the rudder shouldn't be required and I'll discuss with = the shipyard. Now, I'm I correct in assuming that if the rudder doesn't show signs of = any issues better to leave it undisturbed? Or would it still be worth removing to assess real condition? Martin -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: February-03-16 7:18 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice Wrap a line around prop and bend strut. That way while you are paying someone to remove strut to fix it everything is easy. Also super = expensive. Never had to remove rudder The downside was that only was cutlass bearing worn but so was shaft at = same place. New shift was $1200 CAD. Mike Persistence Halifax, NS ________________________________________ From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] on behalf of Arthur Kelley [akelley@optonline.net] Sent: February 3, 2016 7:55 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice My yard wanted to cut and replace the shaft, but similar price. I replaced mine myself without removing the shaft. Cost me about $50 I think. This is the professional tool to do the job. = http://www.strutpro.com/ If you poke about on the Internet there are plans to build the tool yourself. It's nothing more than a couple of plates, one with a 1" hole (remove prop anyway) and the other with a 1" slot to slide over the = leading side. A couple of hefty threaded rods and a sleeve, which is the = trickiest part to size. Here is a video = https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE# Another club member needed to do the same job and he's a machinist. I provided the plans, threaded rods and nuts and he made the plates and = sleeve (collet) out of scraps. 2 set screws on one side, don't remember which, came out easily but I = was prepared for the worst. I think it only took me an hour or two. Art On Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 PM, mart=EDn contal > wrote: Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message since I've been having some = issues with my frers-list registration. Hope it'll work now: My surveyor indicated that I need to replace the cutlass bearing and the shipyard where "austral" currently stays is quoting me the following: "Remove rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and shaft and replace cutlass bearing:12 hrs of labour US$1,276 total ". I'm told that they cannot remove the shaft without removing the rudder. Knowing that my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts = about rudder bearing issues, etc. I rather leave it undisturbed. So, I've gone through all the frers-list archives since 2004 to this date, as well as = the FAQs in search of tips. Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to = remove the rudder at all. If anyone who went through this work could share some advice and = experience it'll be much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by next week). Martin martin contal ::austral ottawa, canada 613 286 7189 _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Feb 4 14:00:35 2016 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Hoyt, Mike) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 14:00:35 +0000 Subject: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice In-Reply-To: <169E312F80B4C044BE2DC1780A7DE72F11AA27@hfxexc11.impgroup.com> References: <133344BC29B84AB6AE83938D75D7A3FB@MARTINHP>, <169E312F80B4C044BE2DC1780A7DE72F11AA27@hfxexc11.impgroup.com> Message-ID: <169E312F80B4C044BE2DC1780A7DE72F11AC35@hfxexc11.impgroup.com> Just reread my last post. Was a bit tongue in cheek. We accidentally caug= ht a line and the resulting repairs had the strut removed and during that c= utlass bearing and shaft replacement (due to wear) Mike Persistence Halifax -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre= rs33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 8:18 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice Wrap a line around prop and bend strut. That way while you are paying someo= ne to remove strut to fix it everything is easy. Also super expensive. Neve= r had to remove rudder The downside was that only was cutlass bearing worn but so was shaft at sam= e place. New shift was $1200 CAD. Mike Persistence Halifax, NS ________________________________________ From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.co= m] on behalf of Arthur Kelley [akelley@optonline.net] Sent: February 3, 2016 7:55 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice My yard wanted to cut and replace the shaft, but similar price. I replaced mine myself without removing the shaft. Cost me about $50 I thin= k. This is the professional tool to do the job. http://www.strutpro.com/ If you poke about on the Internet there are plans to build the tool yoursel= f. It's nothing more than a couple of plates, one with a 1" hole (remove p= rop anyway) and the other with a 1" slot to slide over the leading side. A = couple of hefty threaded rods and a sleeve, which is the trickiest part to = size. Here is a video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE# Another club member needed to do the same job and he's a machinist. I provi= ded the plans, threaded rods and nuts and he made the plates and sleeve (co= llet) out of scraps. 2 set screws on one side, don't remember which, came out easily but I was p= repared for the worst. I think it only took me an hour or two. Art On Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 PM, mart=EDn contal > wrote: Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message since I've been having some issues= with my frers-list registration. Hope it'll work now: My surveyor indicated that I need to replace the cutlass bearing and the sh= ipyard where "austral" currently stays is quoting me the following: "Remove rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and shaft and replace cutlass bea= ring:12 hrs of labour US$1,276 total ". I'm told that they cannot remove the shaft without removing the rudder. Knowing that my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts about = rudder bearing issues, etc. I rather leave it undisturbed. So, I've gone th= rough all the frers-list archives since 2004 to this date, as well as the F= AQs in search of tips. Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to remove= the rudder at all. If anyone who went through this work could share some advice and experience= it'll be much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by next week). Martin martin contal : : austral ottawa, canada 613 286 7189 _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Thu Feb 4 14:07:35 2016 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Rod Stright) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 10:07:35 -0400 Subject: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice In-Reply-To: References: <133344BC29B84AB6AE83938D75D7A3FB@MARTINHP> <169E312F80B4C044BE2DC1780A7DE72F11AA27@hfxexc11.impgroup.com> Message-ID: <002701d15f55$66186a30$32493e90$@eastlink.ca> If you have the original rudder with the solid aluminum post I though = mine was fine but it had a bit of play. Bushings were worn. When I dropped = the rudder there was extensive corrosion around the rudder stock where the = stock goes in the rudder. (Caused by a reaction between VC Offshore and = aluminum not salt water) Had to replace everything. You can't see that area = without dropping the rudder. My suggestion is there is play you may want to = drop the rudder. If in doubt wait until you are in Canada as you have one of = the best facilities in NA to do the rudder work if necessary located in Carp = and they bill in Canadian $$$$ (Phil's Foils) Rod Equinox -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of mart=EDn contal Sent: February-04-16 9:59 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice Thank you gentlemen for your sharing your experience, information and advice! Clearly, removing the rudder shouldn't be required and I'll discuss with = the shipyard. Now, I'm I correct in assuming that if the rudder doesn't show signs of = any issues better to leave it undisturbed? Or would it still be worth removing to assess real condition? Martin -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: February-03-16 7:18 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice Wrap a line around prop and bend strut. That way while you are paying someone to remove strut to fix it everything is easy. Also super = expensive. Never had to remove rudder The downside was that only was cutlass bearing worn but so was shaft at = same place. New shift was $1200 CAD. Mike Persistence Halifax, NS ________________________________________ From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] on behalf of Arthur Kelley [akelley@optonline.net] Sent: February 3, 2016 7:55 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice My yard wanted to cut and replace the shaft, but similar price. I replaced mine myself without removing the shaft. Cost me about $50 I think. This is the professional tool to do the job. = http://www.strutpro.com/ If you poke about on the Internet there are plans to build the tool yourself. It's nothing more than a couple of plates, one with a 1" hole (remove prop anyway) and the other with a 1" slot to slide over the = leading side. A couple of hefty threaded rods and a sleeve, which is the = trickiest part to size. Here is a video = https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE# Another club member needed to do the same job and he's a machinist. I provided the plans, threaded rods and nuts and he made the plates and = sleeve (collet) out of scraps. 2 set screws on one side, don't remember which, came out easily but I = was prepared for the worst. I think it only took me an hour or two. Art On Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 PM, mart=EDn contal > wrote: Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message since I've been having some = issues with my frers-list registration. Hope it'll work now: My surveyor indicated that I need to replace the cutlass bearing and the shipyard where "austral" currently stays is quoting me the following: "Remove rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and shaft and replace cutlass bearing:12 hrs of labour US$1,276 total ". I'm told that they cannot remove the shaft without removing the rudder. Knowing that my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts = about rudder bearing issues, etc. I rather leave it undisturbed. So, I've gone through all the frers-list archives since 2004 to this date, as well as = the FAQs in search of tips. Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to = remove the rudder at all. If anyone who went through this work could share some advice and = experience it'll be much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by next week). Martin martin contal ::austral ottawa, canada 613 286 7189 _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Feb 5 02:43:56 2016 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?mart=EDn_contal?=) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 21:43:56 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice In-Reply-To: <169E312F80B4C044BE2DC1780A7DE72F11AC35@hfxexc11.impgroup.com> References: <133344BC29B84AB6AE83938D75D7A3FB@MARTINHP>, <169E312F80B4C044BE2DC1780A7DE72F11AA27@hfxexc11.impgroup.com> <169E312F80B4C044BE2DC1780A7DE72F11AC35@hfxexc11.impgroup.com> Message-ID: <4A19172343C84DE2A17E7D290C96308F@MARTINHP> Mike, I thought you were serious about it: Basically using a line to = pull and bend the shaft on its way out so as to negotiate the rudder!=20 Thanks, Martin -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: February-04-16 9:01 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice Just reread my last post. Was a bit tongue in cheek. We accidentally caught a line and the resulting repairs had the strut removed and during that cutlass bearing and shaft replacement (due to wear) Mike Persistence Halifax -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 8:18 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice Wrap a line around prop and bend strut. That way while you are paying someone to remove strut to fix it everything is easy. Also super = expensive. Never had to remove rudder The downside was that only was cutlass bearing worn but so was shaft at = same place. New shift was $1200 CAD. Mike Persistence Halifax, NS ________________________________________ From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] on behalf of Arthur Kelley [akelley@optonline.net] Sent: February 3, 2016 7:55 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice My yard wanted to cut and replace the shaft, but similar price. I replaced mine myself without removing the shaft. Cost me about $50 I think. This is the professional tool to do the job. = http://www.strutpro.com/ If you poke about on the Internet there are plans to build the tool yourself. It's nothing more than a couple of plates, one with a 1" hole (remove prop anyway) and the other with a 1" slot to slide over the = leading side. A couple of hefty threaded rods and a sleeve, which is the = trickiest part to size. Here is a video = https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE# Another club member needed to do the same job and he's a machinist. I provided the plans, threaded rods and nuts and he made the plates and = sleeve (collet) out of scraps. 2 set screws on one side, don't remember which, came out easily but I = was prepared for the worst. I think it only took me an hour or two. Art On Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 PM, mart=EDn contal > wrote: Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message since I've been having some = issues with my frers-list registration. Hope it'll work now: My surveyor indicated that I need to replace the cutlass bearing and the shipyard where "austral" currently stays is quoting me the following: "Remove rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and shaft and replace cutlass bearing:12 hrs of labour US$1,276 total ". I'm told that they cannot remove the shaft without removing the rudder. Knowing that my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts = about rudder bearing issues, etc. I rather leave it undisturbed. So, I've gone through all the frers-list archives since 2004 to this date, as well as = the FAQs in search of tips. Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to = remove the rudder at all. If anyone who went through this work could share some advice and = experience it'll be much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by next week). Martin martin contal : : austral ottawa, canada 613 286 7189 _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Fri Feb 5 02:47:22 2016 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?mart=EDn_contal?=) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 21:47:22 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice In-Reply-To: <002701d15f55$66186a30$32493e90$@eastlink.ca> References: <133344BC29B84AB6AE83938D75D7A3FB@MARTINHP> <169E312F80B4C044BE2DC1780A7DE72F11AA27@hfxexc11.impgroup.com> <002701d15f55$66186a30$32493e90$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: <2CDE5AF369AF4A109F2DD442D7E1665A@MARTINHP> Thank you Rod, I think I=92ll follow your suggestion and wait to have = the boat in Ottawa to investigate further. For now, the rudder doesn=92t show any = play at all. Thank you for the valuable information about Phil's Foils! Martin -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright Sent: February-04-16 9:08 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice If you have the original rudder with the solid aluminum post I though = mine was fine but it had a bit of play. Bushings were worn. When I dropped = the rudder there was extensive corrosion around the rudder stock where the = stock goes in the rudder. (Caused by a reaction between VC Offshore and = aluminum not salt water) Had to replace everything. You can't see that area = without dropping the rudder. My suggestion is there is play you may want to = drop the rudder. If in doubt wait until you are in Canada as you have one of = the best facilities in NA to do the rudder work if necessary located in Carp = and they bill in Canadian $$$$ (Phil's Foils) Rod Equinox -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of mart=EDn contal Sent: February-04-16 9:59 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice Thank you gentlemen for your sharing your experience, information and advice! Clearly, removing the rudder shouldn't be required and I'll discuss with = the shipyard. Now, I'm I correct in assuming that if the rudder doesn't show signs of = any issues better to leave it undisturbed? Or would it still be worth removing to assess real condition? Martin -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike Sent: February-03-16 7:18 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice Wrap a line around prop and bend strut. That way while you are paying someone to remove strut to fix it everything is easy. Also super = expensive. Never had to remove rudder The downside was that only was cutlass bearing worn but so was shaft at = same place. New shift was $1200 CAD. Mike Persistence Halifax, NS ________________________________________ From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] on behalf of Arthur Kelley [akelley@optonline.net] Sent: February 3, 2016 7:55 PM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: Re: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice My yard wanted to cut and replace the shaft, but similar price. I replaced mine myself without removing the shaft. Cost me about $50 I think. This is the professional tool to do the job. = http://www.strutpro.com/ If you poke about on the Internet there are plans to build the tool yourself. It's nothing more than a couple of plates, one with a 1" hole (remove prop anyway) and the other with a 1" slot to slide over the = leading side. A couple of hefty threaded rods and a sleeve, which is the = trickiest part to size. Here is a video = https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE# Another club member needed to do the same job and he's a machinist. I provided the plans, threaded rods and nuts and he made the plates and = sleeve (collet) out of scraps. 2 set screws on one side, don't remember which, came out easily but I = was prepared for the worst. I think it only took me an hour or two. Art On Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 PM, mart=EDn contal > wrote: Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message since I've been having some = issues with my frers-list registration. Hope it'll work now: My surveyor indicated that I need to replace the cutlass bearing and the shipyard where "austral" currently stays is quoting me the following: "Remove rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and shaft and replace cutlass bearing:12 hrs of labour US$1,276 total ". I'm told that they cannot remove the shaft without removing the rudder. Knowing that my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts = about rudder bearing issues, etc. I rather leave it undisturbed. So, I've gone through all the frers-list archives since 2004 to this date, as well as = the FAQs in search of tips. Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to = remove the rudder at all. If anyone who went through this work could share some advice and = experience it'll be much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by next week). Martin martin contal ::austral ottawa, canada 613 286 7189 _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list _______________________________________________ frers-list mailing list frers-list@lists.frers33.com http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun Feb 7 05:40:56 2016 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (John Rimel) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 22:40:56 -0700 Subject: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice In-Reply-To: <4A19172343C84DE2A17E7D290C96308F@MARTINHP> References: <133344BC29B84AB6AE83938D75D7A3FB@MARTINHP> <169E312F80B4C044BE2DC1780A7DE72F11AA27@hfxexc11.impgroup.com> <169E312F80B4C044BE2DC1780A7DE72F11AC35@hfxexc11.impgroup.com> <4A19172343C84DE2A17E7D290C96308F@MARTINHP> Message-ID: <66905023-59DD-46DB-A882-4A7E79986D02@mtnpress.com> --Apple-Mail=_E66FD40C-B67C-44EE-A6FC-2D3B791045EF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Martin,=20 For what it=92s worth, Whistler spent part of her life sailing the = salt-free waters of Flathead Lake in Montana. She=92s been in Seattle = for a while, but she hasn=92t always been a saltwater boat. She was very = well regarded on Flathead and I suspect she=92s still in great shape. = That said, I suspect an inspection of the rudder and the rudder post is = not a bad idea.=20 Best of luck with her, she=92s one of the good ones!=20 John Rimel Missoula, MT=20 > On Feb 4, 2016, at 7:43 PM, mart=EDn contal = wrote: >=20 > Mike, I thought you were serious about it: Basically using a line to = pull > and bend the shaft on its way out so as to negotiate the rudder!=20 >=20 > Thanks, > Martin >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike > Sent: February-04-16 9:01 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice >=20 > Just reread my last post. Was a bit tongue in cheek. We accidentally > caught a line and the resulting repairs had the strut removed and = during > that cutlass bearing and shaft replacement (due to wear) >=20 > Mike > Persistence > Halifax >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 8:18 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice >=20 > Wrap a line around prop and bend strut. That way while you are paying > someone to remove strut to fix it everything is easy. Also super = expensive. > Never had to remove rudder >=20 > The downside was that only was cutlass bearing worn but so was shaft = at same > place. New shift was $1200 CAD. >=20 > Mike > Persistence > Halifax, NS > ________________________________________ > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] on behalf of Arthur Kelley > [akelley@optonline.net] > Sent: February 3, 2016 7:55 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice >=20 > My yard wanted to cut and replace the shaft, but similar price. >=20 > I replaced mine myself without removing the shaft. Cost me about $50 I > think. This is the professional tool to do the job. = http://www.strutpro.com/ >=20 > If you poke about on the Internet there are plans to build the tool > yourself. It's nothing more than a couple of plates, one with a 1" = hole > (remove prop anyway) and the other with a 1" slot to slide over the = leading > side. A couple of hefty threaded rods and a sleeve, which is the = trickiest > part to size. Here is a video = https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE# >=20 > Another club member needed to do the same job and he's a machinist. I > provided the plans, threaded rods and nuts and he made the plates and = sleeve > (collet) out of scraps. >=20 > 2 set screws on one side, don't remember which, came out easily but I = was > prepared for the worst. >=20 > I think it only took me an hour or two. >=20 > Art >=20 > On Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 PM, mart=EDn contal > > wrote: >=20 > Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message since I've been having some = issues > with my frers-list registration. Hope it'll work now: >=20 > My surveyor indicated that I need to replace the cutlass bearing and = the > shipyard where "austral" currently stays is quoting me the following: >=20 > "Remove rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and shaft and replace = cutlass > bearing:12 hrs of labour US$1,276 total ". > I'm told that they cannot remove the shaft without removing the = rudder. >=20 > Knowing that my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts = about > rudder bearing issues, etc. I rather leave it undisturbed. So, I've = gone > through all the frers-list archives since 2004 to this date, as well = as the > FAQs in search of tips. Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to = remove > the rudder at all. >=20 > If anyone who went through this work could share some advice and = experience > it'll be much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by next week). >=20 > Martin >=20 >=20 > martin contal > : : austral > ottawa, canada > 613 286 7189 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >=20 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list --Apple-Mail=_E66FD40C-B67C-44EE-A6FC-2D3B791045EF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Martin,

For what it=92s worth, Whistler spent part of her life = sailing the salt-free waters of Flathead Lake in Montana. She=92s been = in Seattle for a while, but she hasn=92t always been a saltwater boat. = She was very well regarded on Flathead and I suspect she=92s still in = great shape. That said, I suspect an inspection of the rudder and the = rudder post is not a bad idea.

Best of luck with her, she=92s one of = the good ones!

John Rimel

Missoula, MT

On Feb 4, 2016, at 7:43 PM, mart=EDn contal <martin06@contal.ca> = wrote:

Mike, = I thought you were serious about it: Basically using a line to pull
and bend the shaft on its way out so as to negotiate the = rudder!

Thanks,
Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of = Hoyt, Mike
Sent: February-04-16 9:01 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: = [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice

Just reread my last post. Was a bit tongue in cheek. = We accidentally
caught a line and the resulting = repairs had the strut removed and during
that cutlass = bearing and shaft replacement (due to wear)

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

-----Original Message-----
From: = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of = Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 8:18 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: = [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice

Wrap a line around prop and bend strut. That way while you = are paying
someone to remove strut to fix it everything is = easy. Also super expensive.
Never had to remove rudder

The downside was that only was cutlass bearing = worn but so was shaft at same
place. New shift was $1200 = CAD.

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS
________________________________________
From: = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] on behalf of Arthur = Kelley
[akelley@optonline.net]
Sent: February 3, = 2016 7:55 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: = [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice

My yard wanted to cut and replace the shaft, but similar = price.

I replaced mine myself without = removing the shaft. Cost me about $50 I
think. This is the = professional tool to do the job. http://www.strutpro.com/

If = you poke about on the Internet there are plans to build the tool
yourself. It's nothing more than a couple of plates, = one with a 1" hole
(remove prop anyway) and the other with = a 1" slot to slide over the leading
side. A couple of = hefty threaded rods and a sleeve, which is the trickiest
part to size. Here is a video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE#

Another club member needed to do the same job = and he's a machinist. I
provided the plans, threaded rods = and nuts and he made the plates and sleeve
(collet) out of = scraps.

2 set screws on one side, don't = remember which, came out easily but I was
prepared for the = worst.

I think it only took me an hour or = two.

Art

On = Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 PM, mart=EDn contal
<martin06@contal.ca<mailto:martin06@contal.ca>> wrote:

Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message since I've been = having some issues
with my frers-list registration. Hope = it'll work now:

My surveyor indicated that = I need to replace the cutlass bearing and the
shipyard = where "austral" currently stays is quoting me the following:

"Remove rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and = shaft and replace cutlass
bearing:12 hrs of labour = US$1,276 total ".
I'm told that they cannot remove the = shaft without removing the rudder.

Knowing = that my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts about
rudder bearing issues, etc. I rather leave it undisturbed. = So, I've gone
through all the frers-list archives since = 2004 to this date, as well as the
FAQs in search of tips. = Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to remove
the = rudder at all.

If anyone who went through = this work could share some advice and experience
it'll be = much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by next week).

Martin

martin contal
: : austral
ottawa, = canada
613 286 7189
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= --Apple-Mail=_E66FD40C-B67C-44EE-A6FC-2D3B791045EF-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun Feb 7 16:53:02 2016 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?mart=EDn_contal?=) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 11:53:02 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Blue Agave for sale In-Reply-To: <66905023-59DD-46DB-A882-4A7E79986D02@mtnpress.com> References: <133344BC29B84AB6AE83938D75D7A3FB@MARTINHP> <169E312F80B4C044BE2DC1780A7DE72F11AA27@hfxexc11.impgroup.com> <169E312F80B4C044BE2DC1780A7DE72F11AC35@hfxexc11.impgroup.com> <4A19172343C84DE2A17E7D290C96308F@MARTINHP> <66905023-59DD-46DB-A882-4A7E79986D02@mtnpress.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01D1619E.1984B6B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another Frers 33 for sale in Sea of Cortez, Mexico: http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/55364 ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01D1619E.1984B6B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0030_01D1619E.1984B6B0-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Mon Feb 8 07:27:17 2016 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (David Ward) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 02:27:17 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #911 - 1 msg In-Reply-To: <20160207063121.7C62261B95@mailman.siteprotect.com> References: <20160207063121.7C62261B95@mailman.siteprotect.com> Message-ID: <152bfc70496-a73-3185@webprd-m11.mail.aol.com> ------=_Part_15337_553574662.1454916437138 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your yard is either incompetent or ripping you off. I changed mine last year using these simple instructions (shown below). No rudder removal. Only special tool required is a hub puller. Other than bearing, cost less than 5$ http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/replacing_a_cutlass David Ward dlwisme@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-request To: frers-list Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2016 1:07 am Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #911 - 1 msg Send frers-list mailing list submissions to frers-list@lists.frers33.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com You can reach the person managing the list at frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice (John Rimel) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: John Rimel Subject: Re: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 22:40:56 -0700 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com --Apple-Mail=_E66FD40C-B67C-44EE-A6FC-2D3B791045EF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Martin,=20 For what it=92s worth, Whistler spent part of her life sailing the = salt-free waters of Flathead Lake in Montana. She=92s been in Seattle = for a while, but she hasn=92t always been a saltwater boat. She was very = well regarded on Flathead and I suspect she=92s still in great shape. = That said, I suspect an inspection of the rudder and the rudder post is = not a bad idea.=20 Best of luck with her, she=92s one of the good ones!=20 John Rimel Missoula, MT=20 > On Feb 4, 2016, at 7:43 PM, mart=EDn contal = wrote: >=20 > Mike, I thought you were serious about it: Basically using a line to = pull > and bend the shaft on its way out so as to negotiate the rudder!=20 >=20 > Thanks, > Martin >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike > Sent: February-04-16 9:01 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice >=20 > Just reread my last post. Was a bit tongue in cheek. We accidentally > caught a line and the resulting repairs had the strut removed and = during > that cutlass bearing and shaft replacement (due to wear) >=20 > Mike > Persistence > Halifax >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 8:18 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice >=20 > Wrap a line around prop and bend strut. That way while you are paying > someone to remove strut to fix it everything is easy. Also super = expensive. > Never had to remove rudder >=20 > The downside was that only was cutlass bearing worn but so was shaft = at same > place. New shift was $1200 CAD. >=20 > Mike > Persistence > Halifax, NS > ________________________________________ > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] on behalf of Arthur Kelley > [akelley@optonline.net] > Sent: February 3, 2016 7:55 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice >=20 > My yard wanted to cut and replace the shaft, but similar price. >=20 > I replaced mine myself without removing the shaft. Cost me about $50 I > think. This is the professional tool to do the job. = http://www.strutpro.com/ >=20 > If you poke about on the Internet there are plans to build the tool > yourself. It's nothing more than a couple of plates, one with a 1" = hole > (remove prop anyway) and the other with a 1" slot to slide over the = leading > side. A couple of hefty threaded rods and a sleeve, which is the = trickiest > part to size. Here is a video = https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE# >=20 > Another club member needed to do the same job and he's a machinist. I > provided the plans, threaded rods and nuts and he made the plates and = sleeve > (collet) out of scraps. >=20 > 2 set screws on one side, don't remember which, came out easily but I = was > prepared for the worst. >=20 > I think it only took me an hour or two. >=20 > Art >=20 > On Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 PM, mart=EDn contal > > wrote: >=20 > Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message since I've been having some = issues > with my frers-list registration. Hope it'll work now: >=20 > My surveyor indicated that I need to replace the cutlass bearing and = the > shipyard where "austral" currently stays is quoting me the following: >=20 > "Remove rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and shaft and replace = cutlass > bearing:12 hrs of labour US$1,276 total ". > I'm told that they cannot remove the shaft without removing the = rudder. >=20 > Knowing that my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts = about > rudder bearing issues, etc. I rather leave it undisturbed. So, I've = gone > through all the frers-list archives since 2004 to this date, as well = as the > FAQs in search of tips. Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to = remove > the rudder at all. >=20 > If anyone who went through this work could share some advice and = experience > it'll be much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by next week). >=20 > Martin >=20 >=20 > martin contal > : : austral > ottawa, canada > 613 286 7189 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >=20 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list --Apple-Mail=_E66FD40C-B67C-44EE-A6FC-2D3B791045EF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Martin,

Best of luck with her, she=92s one of = the good ones!

John Rimel

Missoula, MT

On Feb 4, 2016, at 7:43 PM, mart=EDn contal <martin06@contal.ca> = wrote:

Mike, = I thought you were serious about it: Basically using a line to pull
and bend the shaft on its way out so as to negotiate the = rudder!

Thanks,
Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of = Hoyt, Mike
Sent: February-04-16 9:01 AM
To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: = [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice

Just reread my last post. Was a bit tongue in cheek. = We accidentally
caught a line and the resulting = repairs had the strut removed and during
that cutlass = bearing and shaft replacement (due to wear)

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

-----Original Message-----
From: = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of = Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 8:18 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: = [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice

Wrap a line around prop and bend strut. That way while you = are paying
someone to remove strut to fix it everything is = easy. Also super expensive.
Never had to remove rudder

The downside was that only was cutlass bearing = worn but so was shaft at same
place. New shift was $1200 = CAD.

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS
________________________________________
From: = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] on behalf of Arthur = Kelley
[akelley@optonline.net]
Sent: February 3, = 2016 7:55 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: = [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice

My yard wanted to cut and replace the shaft, but similar = price.

I replaced mine myself without = removing the shaft. Cost me about $50 I
think. This is the = professional tool to do the job. http://www.strutpro.com/

If = you poke about on the Internet there are plans to build the tool
yourself. It's nothing more than a couple of plates, = one with a 1" hole
(remove prop anyway) and the other with = a 1" slot to slide over the leading
side. A couple of = hefty threaded rods and a sleeve, which is the trickiest
part to size. Here is a video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE#

Another club member needed to do the same job = and he's a machinist. I
provided the plans, threaded rods = and nuts and he made the plates and sleeve
(collet) out of = scraps.

2 set screws on one side, don't = remember which, came out easily but I was
prepared for the = worst.

I think it only took me an hour or = two.

Art

On = Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 PM, mart=EDn contal
<martin06@contal.ca<mailto:martin06@contal.ca>> wrote:

Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message since I've been = having some issues
with my frers-list registration. Hope = it'll work now:

My surveyor indicated that = I need to replace the cutlass bearing and the
shipyard = where "austral" currently stays is quoting me the following:

"Remove rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and = shaft and replace cutlass
bearing:12 hrs of labour = US$1,276 total ".
I'm told that they cannot remove the = shaft without removing the rudder.

Knowing = that my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts about
rudder bearing issues, etc. I rather leave it undisturbed. = So, I've gone
through all the frers-list archives since = 2004 to this date, as well as the
FAQs in search of tips. = Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to remove
the = rudder at all.

If anyone who went through = this work could share some advice and experience
it'll be = much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by next week).

Martin

martin contal
: : austral
ottawa, = canada
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http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/replacing_a_cutlass

David Ward
dlwisme@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 22:40:56 -0700
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Martin,=20

For what it=92s worth, Whistler spent part of her life sailing the =
salt-free waters of Flathead Lake in Montana. She=92s been in Seattle =
for a while, but she hasn=92t always been a saltwater boat. She was very =
well regarded on Flathead and I suspect she=92s still in great shape. =
That said, I suspect an inspection of the rudder and the rudder post is =
not a bad idea.=20

Best of luck with her, she=92s one of the good ones!=20

John Rimel
Missoula, MT=20

> On Feb 4, 2016, at 7:43 PM, mart=EDn contal <martin06@contal.ca> =
wrote:
>=20
> Mike, I thought you were serious about it: Basically using a line to =
pull
> and bend the shaft on its way out so as to negotiate the rudder!=20
>=20
> Thanks,
> Martin
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
> Sent: February-04-16 9:01 AM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice
>=20
> Just reread my last post. Was a bit tongue in cheek. We accidentally
> caught a line and the resulting repairs had the strut removed and =
during
> that cutlass bearing and shaft replacement (due to wear)
>=20
> Mike
> Persistence
> Halifax
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 8:18 PM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice
>=20
> Wrap a line around prop and bend strut. That way while you are paying
> someone to remove strut to fix it everything is easy. Also super =
expensive.
> Never had to remove rudder
>=20
> The downside was that only was cutlass bearing worn but so was shaft =
at same
> place. New shift was $1200 CAD.
>=20
> Mike
> Persistence
> Halifax, NS
> ________________________________________
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] on behalf of Arthur Kelley
> [akelley@optonline.net]
> Sent: February 3, 2016 7:55 PM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice
>=20
> My yard wanted to cut and replace the shaft, but similar price.
>=20
> I replaced mine myself without removing the shaft. Cost me about $50 I
> think. This is the professional tool to do the job. =
http://www.strutpro.com/
>=20
> If you poke about on the Internet there are plans to build the tool
> yourself. It's nothing more than a couple of plates, one with a 1" =
hole
> (remove prop anyway) and the other with a 1" slot to slide over the =
leading
> side. A couple of hefty threaded rods and a sleeve, which is the =
trickiest
> part to size. Here is a video =
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE#
>=20
> Another club member needed to do the same job and he's a machinist. I
> provided the plans, threaded rods and nuts and he made the plates and =
sleeve
> (collet) out of scraps.
>=20
> 2 set screws on one side, don't remember which, came out easily but I =
was
> prepared for the worst.
>=20
> I think it only took me an hour or two.
>=20
> Art
>=20
> On Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 PM, mart=EDn contal
> <martin06@contal.ca<mailto:martin06@contal.ca>> wrote:
>=20
> Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message since I've been having some =
issues
> with my frers-list registration. Hope it'll work now:
>=20
> My surveyor indicated that I need to replace the cutlass bearing and =
the
> shipyard where "austral" currently stays is quoting me the following:
>=20
> "Remove rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and shaft and replace =
cutlass
> bearing:12 hrs of labour US$1,276 total ".
> I'm told that they cannot remove the shaft without removing the =
rudder.
>=20
> Knowing that my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts =
about
> rudder bearing issues, etc. I rather leave it undisturbed. So, I've =
gone
> through all the frers-list archives since 2004 to this date, as well =
as the
> FAQs in search of tips. Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to =
remove
> the rudder at all.
>=20
> If anyone who went through this work could share some advice and =
experience
> it'll be much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by next week).
>=20
> Martin
>=20
>=20
> martin contal
> : : austral
> ottawa, canada
> 613 286 7189
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class=3D"">Martin, <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">For what it=92s worth, Whistler spent part of her life =
sailing the salt-free waters of Flathead Lake in Montana. She=92s been =
in Seattle for a while, but she hasn=92t always been a saltwater boat. =
She was very well regarded on Flathead and I suspect she=92s still in =
great shape. That said, I suspect an inspection of the rudder and the =
rudder post is not a bad idea. </div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Best of luck with her, she=92s one of =
the good ones! </div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
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class=3D"">John Rimel</div><div style=3D"orphans: 2; widows: 2;" =
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
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href=3D"mailto:martin06@contal.ca" class=3D"">martin06@contal.ca</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">Mike, =
I thought you were serious about it: Basically using a line to pull<br =
class=3D"">and bend the shaft on its way out so as to negotiate the =
rudder! <br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Thanks,<br class=3D"">Martin<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br =
class=3D"">From: <a href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" =
class=3D"">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a><br class=3D"">[<a =
href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" =
class=3D"">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a>] On Behalf Of =
Hoyt, Mike<br class=3D"">Sent: February-04-16 9:01 AM<br class=3D"">To: =
<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =
class=3D"">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a><br class=3D"">Subject: RE: =
[frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Just reread my last post.  Was a bit tongue in cheek. =
 We accidentally<br class=3D"">caught a line and the resulting =
repairs had the strut removed and during<br class=3D"">that cutlass =
bearing and shaft replacement (due to wear)<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Mike<br class=3D"">Persistence<br class=3D"">Halifax<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">From: =
<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" =
class=3D"">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a><br class=3D"">[<a =
href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" =
class=3D"">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a>] On Behalf Of =
Hoyt, Mike<br class=3D"">Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 8:18 PM<br =
class=3D"">To: <a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =
class=3D"">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a><br class=3D"">Subject: RE: =
[frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Wrap a line around prop and bend strut. That way while you =
are paying<br class=3D"">someone to remove strut to fix it everything is =
easy. Also super expensive.<br class=3D"">Never had to remove rudder<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">The downside was that only was cutlass bearing =
worn but so was shaft at same<br class=3D"">place. New shift was $1200 =
CAD.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Mike<br class=3D"">Persistence<br =
class=3D"">Halifax, NS<br =
class=3D"">________________________________________<br class=3D"">From: =
<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" =
class=3D"">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a><br class=3D"">[<a =
href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" =
class=3D"">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a>] on behalf of Arthur =
Kelley<br class=3D"">[<a href=3D"mailto:akelley@optonline.net" =
class=3D"">akelley@optonline.net</a>]<br class=3D"">Sent: February 3, =
2016 7:55 PM<br class=3D"">To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =
class=3D"">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a><br class=3D"">Subject: Re: =
[frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">My yard wanted to cut and replace the shaft, but similar =
price.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I replaced mine myself without =
removing the shaft. Cost me about $50 I<br class=3D"">think. This is the =
professional tool to do the job. <a href=3D"http://www.strutpro.com/" =
class=3D"">http://www.strutpro.com/</a><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">If =
you poke about on the Internet there are plans to build the tool<br =
class=3D"">yourself.  It's nothing more than a couple of plates, =
one with a 1" hole<br class=3D"">(remove prop anyway) and the other with =
a 1" slot to slide over the leading<br class=3D"">side. A couple of =
hefty threaded rods and a sleeve, which is the trickiest<br =
class=3D"">part to size. Here is a video <a =
href=3D"https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE#" =
class=3D"">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE#</a><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Another club member needed to do the same job =
and he's a machinist. I<br class=3D"">provided the plans, threaded rods =
and nuts and he made the plates and sleeve<br class=3D"">(collet) out of =
scraps.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">2 set screws on one side, don't =
remember which, came out easily but I was<br class=3D"">prepared for the =
worst.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I think it only took me an hour or =
two.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Art<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">On =
Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 PM, mart=EDn contal<br class=3D""><<a =
href=3D"mailto:martin06@contal.ca" class=3D"">martin06@contal.ca</a><<a=
href=3D"mailto:martin06@contal.ca" =
class=3D"">mailto:martin06@contal.ca</a>>> wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message since I've been =
having some issues<br class=3D"">with my frers-list registration. Hope =
it'll work now:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">My surveyor indicated that =
I need to replace the cutlass bearing and the<br class=3D"">shipyard =
where "austral" currently stays is quoting me the following:<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">"Remove rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and =
shaft and replace cutlass<br class=3D"">bearing:12 hrs of labour =
US$1,276 total ".<br class=3D"">I'm told that they cannot remove the =
shaft without removing the rudder.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Knowing =
that my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts about<br =
class=3D"">rudder bearing issues, etc. I rather leave it undisturbed. =
So, I've gone<br class=3D"">through all the frers-list archives since =
2004 to this date, as well as the<br class=3D"">FAQs in search of tips. =
Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to remove<br class=3D"">the =
rudder at all.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">If anyone who went through =
this work could share some advice and experience<br class=3D"">it'll be =
much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by next week).<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Martin<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">martin contal<br class=3D"">: : austral<br class=3D"">ottawa, =
canada<br class=3D"">613 286 7189<br =
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href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com" =
class=3D"">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a><br =
class=3D"">http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list<br =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br =
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03:28:20 2016 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?mart=EDn_contal?=) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 22:28:20 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #911 - 1 msg In-Reply-To: <152bfc70496-a73-3185@webprd-m11.mail.aol.com> References: <20160207063121.7C62261B95@mailman.siteprotect.com> <152bfc70496-a73-3185@webprd-m11.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <6529096AE528437C92B61409D238F92E@MARTINHP> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01D162C0.0498F130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi David, Thank you for the link, very useful! I think I didn't presented the issue well: The surveyor made two recommendations: 1) Replace the cutlass bearing, 2) Remove shaft and send it for inspection. So, the issue of removing the rudder is related to the removal of the shaft really. The shipyard says that they cannot remove the shaft without removing the rudder. At this point I'm considering just replacing the cutlass bearing and leaving the removal/inspection of the rudder & shaft for Spring, once the boat is in Ottawa. Once again, thank you all for your views and advice! Martin _____ From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of David Ward Sent: February-08-16 2:27 AM To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #911 - 1 msg Your yard is either incompetent or ripping you off. I changed mine last year using these simple instructions (shown below). No rudder removal. Only special tool required is a hub puller. Other than bearing, cost less than 5$ http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/replacing_a_cutlass David Ward dlwisme@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: frers-list-request To: frers-list Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2016 1:07 am Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #911 - 1 msg Send frers-list mailing list submissions to frers-list@lists.frers33.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com You can reach the person managing the list at frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice (John Rimel) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: John Rimel Subject: Re: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 22:40:56 -0700 To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com --Apple-Mail=_E66FD40C-B67C-44EE-A6FC-2D3B791045EF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Martin,=20 For what it=92s worth, Whistler spent part of her life sailing the = salt-free waters of Flathead Lake in Montana. She=92s been in Seattle = for a while, but she hasn=92t always been a saltwater boat. She was very = well regarded on Flathead and I suspect she=92s still in great shape. = That said, I suspect an inspection of the rudder and the rudder post is = not a bad idea.=20 Best of luck with her, she=92s one of the good ones!=20 John Rimel Missoula, MT=20 > On Feb 4, 2016, at 7:43 PM, mart=EDn contal = wrote: >=20 > Mike, I thought you were serious about it: Basically using a line to = pull > and bend the shaft on its way out so as to negotiate the rudder!=20 >=20 > Thanks, > Martin >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com ] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike > Sent: February-04-16 9:01 AM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice >=20 > Just reread my last post. Was a bit tongue in cheek. We accidentally > caught a line and the resulting repairs had the strut removed and = during > that cutlass bearing and shaft replacement (due to wear) >=20 > Mike > Persistence > Halifax >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com ] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 8:18 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice >=20 > Wrap a line around prop and bend strut. That way while you are paying > someone to remove strut to fix it everything is easy. Also super = expensive. > Never had to remove rudder >=20 > The downside was that only was cutlass bearing worn but so was shaft = at same > place. New shift was $1200 CAD. >=20 > Mike > Persistence > Halifax, NS > ________________________________________ > From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com > [frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] on behalf of Arthur Kelley > [akelley@optonline.net] > Sent: February 3, 2016 7:55 PM > To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com > Subject: Re: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice >=20 > My yard wanted to cut and replace the shaft, but similar price. >=20 > I replaced mine myself without removing the shaft. Cost me about $50 I > think. This is the professional tool to do the job. = http://www.strutpro.com/ >=20 > If you poke about on the Internet there are plans to build the tool > yourself. It's nothing more than a couple of plates, one with a 1" = hole > (remove prop anyway) and the other with a 1" slot to slide over the = leading > side. A couple of hefty threaded rods and a sleeve, which is the = trickiest > part to size. Here is a video = https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE# >=20 > Another club member needed to do the same job and he's a machinist. I > provided the plans, threaded rods and nuts and he made the plates and = sleeve > (collet) out of scraps. >=20 > 2 set screws on one side, don't remember which, came out easily but I = was > prepared for the worst. >=20 > I think it only took me an hour or two. >=20 > Art >=20 > On Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 PM, mart=EDn contal > >> wrote: >=20 > Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message since I've been having some = issues > with my frers-list registration. Hope it'll work now: >=20 > My surveyor indicated that I need to replace the cutlass bearing and = the > shipyard where "austral" currently stays is quoting me the following: >=20 > "Remove rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and shaft and replace = cutlass > bearing:12 hrs of labour US$1,276 total ". > I'm told that they cannot remove the shaft without removing the = rudder. >=20 > Knowing that my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts = about > rudder bearing issues, etc. I rather leave it undisturbed. So, I've = gone > through all the frers-list archives since 2004 to this date, as well = as the > FAQs in search of tips. Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to = remove > the rudder at all. >=20 > If anyone who went through this work could share some advice and = experience > it'll be much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by next week). >=20 > Martin >=20 >=20 > martin contal > : : austral > ottawa, canada > 613 286 7189 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list >=20 > _______________________________________________ > frers-list mailing list > frers-list@lists.frers33.com > http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list --Apple-Mail=_E66FD40C-B67C-44EE-A6FC-2D3B791045EF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Martin,

Best of luck with her, she=92s one of = the good ones!

John Rimel

Missoula, MT

On Feb 4, 2016, at 7:43 PM, mart=EDn contal < class=3D"">martin06@contal.ca> = wrote:

Mike, = I thought you were serious about it: Basically using a line to pull
and bend the shaft on its way out so as to negotiate the = rudder!

Thanks,
Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: = class=3D"">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[ = class=3D"">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com ] On Behalf Of = Hoyt, Mike
Sent: February-04-16 9:01 AM
To: = = class=3D"">frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: = [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice

Just reread my last post. Was a bit tongue in cheek. = We accidentally
caught a line and the resulting = repairs had the strut removed and during
that cutlass = bearing and shaft replacement (due to wear)

Mike
Persistence
Halifax

-----Original Message-----
From: = = class=3D"">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[ = class=3D"">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com ] On Behalf Of = Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 8:18 PM
To: = class=3D"">frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: = [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice

Wrap a line around prop and bend strut. That way while you = are paying
someone to remove strut to fix it everything is = easy. Also super expensive.
Never had to remove rudder

The downside was that only was cutlass bearing = worn but so was shaft at same
place. New shift was $1200 = CAD.

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS
________________________________________
From: = = class=3D"">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[ = class=3D"">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] on behalf of Arthur = Kelley
[ = class=3D"">akelley@optonline.net]
Sent: February 3, = 2016 7:55 PM
To: = class=3D"">frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: = [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice

My yard wanted to cut and replace the shaft, but similar = price.

I replaced mine myself without = removing the shaft. Cost me about $50 I
think. This is the = professional tool to do the job. http://www.strutpro.com/

If = you poke about on the Internet there are plans to build the tool
yourself. It's nothing more than a couple of plates, = one with a 1" hole
(remove prop anyway) and the other with = a 1" slot to slide over the leading
side. A couple of = hefty threaded rods and a sleeve, which is the trickiest
part to size. Here is a video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DGZQHLvUUyuE#

Another club member needed to do the same job = and he's a machinist. I
provided the plans, threaded rods = and nuts and he made the plates and sleeve
(collet) out of = scraps.

2 set screws on one side, don't = remember which, came out easily but I was
prepared for the = worst.

I think it only took me an hour or = two.

Art

On = Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 PM, mart=EDn contal
< class=3D"">martin06@contal.ca< = class=3D"">mailto:martin06@contal.ca >>?> >> wrote:

Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message since I've been = having some issues
with my frers-list registration. Hope = it'll work now:

My surveyor indicated that = I need to replace the cutlass bearing and the
shipyard = where "austral" currently stays is quoting me the following:

"Remove rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and = shaft and replace cutlass
bearing:12 hrs of labour = US$1,276 total ".
I'm told that they cannot remove the = shaft without removing the rudder.

Knowing = that my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts about
rudder bearing issues, etc. I rather leave it undisturbed. = So, I've gone
through all the frers-list archives since = 2004 to this date, as well as the
FAQs in search of tips. = Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to remove
the = rudder at all.

If anyone who went through = this work could share some advice and experience
it'll be = much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by next week).

Martin

martin contal
: : austral
ottawa, = canada
613 286 7189
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Hi David,

Thank you for the link, very = useful!

I think I didn't presented the issue well: The = surveyor made=20 two recommendations: 1) Replace the cutlass bearing, 2) Remove shaft and = send it=20 for inspection. So, the issue of removing the rudder is related to = the=20 removal of the shaft really. The shipyard says that they cannot remove = the shaft=20 without removing the rudder.

At this point I'm considering just replacing the = cutlass=20 bearing and leaving the removal/inspection of the rudder & = shaft for=20 Spring, once the boat is in Ottawa.

Once again, thank you all for your views and=20 advice!

Martin

From: = frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20 [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of David=20 Ward
Sent: February-08-16 2:27 AM
To:=20 frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Re: = frers-list=20 digest, Vol 1 #911 - 1 msg

Your yard is either incompetent or ripping you off. I = changed mine=20 last year using these simple instructions (shown below). No rudder = removal. Only special tool required is a hub puller. Other = than=20 bearing, cost less than 5$ =20

http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/replacing_a_cutlass

David Ward
dlwisme@aol.com

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From: John Rimel <jrimel@mtnpress.com>
Subjec= t: Re:=20 [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement Advice
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 = 22:40:56=20 -0700
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
Reply-To:=20 frers-list@lists.frers33.com=

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Martin,=3D20

For = what it=3D92s=20 worth, Whistler spent part of her life sailing the =3D
salt-free = waters of=20 Flathead Lake in Montana. She=3D92s been in Seattle =3D
for a while, = but she=20 hasn=3D92t always been a saltwater boat. She was very =3D
well = regarded on=20 Flathead and I suspect she=3D92s still in great shape. =3D
That said, = I suspect=20 an inspection of the rudder and the rudder post is =3D
not a bad=20 idea.=3D20

Best of luck with her, she=3D92s one of the good=20 ones!=3D20

John Rimel
Missoula, MT=3D20

> On = Feb 4,=20 2016, at 7:43 PM, mart=3DEDn contal <martin06@contal.ca>=20 =3D
wrote:
>=3D20
> Mike, I thought you were serious = about it:=20 Basically using a line to =3D
pull
> and bend the shaft on its = way out so=20 as to negotiate the rudder!=3D20
>=3D20
> Thanks,
>=20 Martin
>=3D20
>=3D20
> -----Original = Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists= .frers33.com
>=20 [mailto:frers-list-adm= in@lists.frers33.com]=20 On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
> Sent: February-04-16 9:01 AM
> To: = frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
>=20 Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement = Advice
>=3D20
>=20 Just reread my last post. Was a bit tongue in cheek. We = accidentally
>=20 caught a line and the resulting repairs had the strut removed and=20 =3D
during
> that cutlass bearing and shaft replacement (due to = wear)
>=3D20
> Mike
> Persistence
>=20 Halifax
>=3D20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists= .frers33.com
>=20 [mailto:frers-list-adm= in@lists.frers33.com]=20 On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 8:18=20 PM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
>=20 Subject: RE: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement = Advice
>=3D20
>=20 Wrap a line around prop and bend strut. That way while you are = paying
>=20 someone to remove strut to fix it everything is easy. Also super=20 =3D
expensive.
> Never had to remove = rudder
>=3D20
> The=20 downside was that only was cutlass bearing worn but so was shaft = =3D
at=20 same
> place. New shift was $1200 CAD.
>=3D20
> = Mike
>=20 Persistence
> Halifax, NS
>=20 ________________________________________
> From: frers-list-admin@lists= .frers33.com
>=20 [frers-list-admin@lists= .frers33.com]=20 on behalf of Arthur Kelley
> [akelley@optonline.net]
> = Sent:=20 February 3, 2016 7:55 PM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
>=20 Subject: Re: [frers-list]Cutlass Bearing Replacement = Advice
>=3D20
>=20 My yard wanted to cut and replace the shaft, but similar=20 price.
>=3D20
> I replaced mine myself without removing the = shaft.=20 Cost me about $50 I
> think. This is the professional tool to do = the job.=20 =3D
http://www.strutpro.com/
>=3D20
> If you = poke about=20 on the Internet there are plans to build the tool
> yourself. It's = nothing=20 more than a couple of plates, one with a 1" =3D
hole
> (remove = prop=20 anyway) and the other with a 1" slot to slide over the = =3D
leading
>=20 side. A couple of hefty threaded rods and a sleeve, which is the=20 =3D
trickiest
> part to size. Here is a video =3D
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DGZQHLvUUyuE#
>= ;=3D20
>=20 Another club member needed to do the same job and he's a machinist. = I
>=20 provided the plans, threaded rods and nuts and he made the plates and=20 =3D
sleeve
> (collet) out of scraps.
>=3D20
> 2 set = screws on=20 one side, don't remember which, came out easily but I =3D
was
> = prepared=20 for the worst.
>=3D20
> I think it only took me an hour or=20 two.
>=3D20
> Art
>=3D20
> On Feb 3, 2016, at = 5:43 PM,=20 mart=3DEDn contal
> <martin06@contal.ca<mailto:martin06@contal.ca>>= =20 wrote:
>=3D20
> Hi everyone, I'm re-posting this message = since I've=20 been having some =3D
issues
> with my frers-list registration. = Hope it'll=20 work now:
>=3D20
> My surveyor indicated that I need to = replace the=20 cutlass bearing and =3D
the
> shipyard where "austral" = currently stays is=20 quoting me the following:
>=3D20
> "Remove rudder to remove = shaft,=20 pull prop and shaft and replace =3D
cutlass
> bearing:12 hrs of = labour=20 US$1,276 total ".
> I'm told that they cannot remove the shaft = without=20 removing the =3D
rudder.
>=3D20
> Knowing that my rudder = seems to be=20 OK and having read the many posts =3D
about
> rudder bearing = issues, etc.=20 I rather leave it undisturbed. So, I've =3D
gone
> through all = the=20 frers-list archives since 2004 to this date, as well =3D
as = the
> FAQs in=20 search of tips. Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to=20 =3D
remove
> the rudder at all.
>=3D20
> If anyone = who went=20 through this work could share some advice and =3D
experience
> = it'll be=20 much appreciated! (I need to confirm go/no-go by next = week).
>=3D20
>=20 Martin
>=3D20
>=3D20
> martin contal
> : : = austral
>=20 ottawa, canada
> 613 286 7189
>=20 _______________________________________________
> frers-list = mailing=20 list
> frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
>=20 http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list<= BR>>=20 _______________________________________________
> frers-list = mailing=20 list
> frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
>=20 http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list<= BR>>=3D20
>=20 _______________________________________________
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class=3D3D"">Martin, <div=20 class=3D3D""><br class=3D3D""></div><div = =3D
class=3D3D"">For=20 what it=3D92s worth, Whistler spent part of her life =3D
sailing the = salt-free=20 waters of Flathead Lake in Montana. She=3D92s been =3D
in Seattle for = a while,=20 but she hasn=3D92t always been a saltwater boat. =3D
She was very = well regarded=20 on Flathead and I suspect she=3D92s still in =3D
great shape. That = said, I=20 suspect an inspection of the rudder and the =3D
rudder post is not a = bad=20 idea. </div><div class=3D3D""><br=20 =3D
class=3D3D""></div><div class=3D3D"">Best of luck = with her,=20 she=3D92s one of =3D
the good ones! </div><div=20 class=3D3D""><br class=3D3D""><div = =3D
apple-content-edited=3D3D"true"=20 class=3D3D"">
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class=3D3D""><div class=3D3D""><div = style=3D3D"orphans: 2; widows:=20 2;" =3D
class=3D3D"">John Rimel</div><div = style=3D3D"orphans: 2;=20 widows: 2;" =3D
class=3D3D"">Missoula,=20 MT </div></div><div class=3D3D""><br=20 =3D
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<br=20 class=3D3D""><div><blockquote type=3D3D"cite" = class=3D3D""><div=20 =3D
class=3D3D"">On Feb 4, 2016, at 7:43 PM, mart=3DEDn contal = <<a=20 =3D
href=3D3D"mailto:martin06@contal.ca"=20 class=3D3D"">martin06@contal.ca</a>&g= t;=20 =3D
wrote:</div><br = class=3D3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div=20 class=3D3D"">Mike, =3D
I thought you were serious about it: = Basically using a=20 line to pull<br =3D
class=3D3D"">and bend the shaft on its way = out so as to=20 negotiate the =3D
rudder! <br class=3D3D""><br=20 class=3D3D"">Thanks,<br class=3D3D"">Martin<br = =3D
class=3D3D""><br=20 class=3D3D""><br class=3D3D"">-----Original Message-----<br=20 =3D
class=3D3D"">From: <a href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list-ad= min@lists.frers33.com"=20 =3D
class=3D3D"">frers-list-admin@lists= .frers33.com</a><br=20 class=3D3D"">[<a =3D
href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list-ad= min@lists.frers33.com"=20 =3D
class=3D3D"">mailto:frers-list-= admin@lists.frers33.com</a>]=20 On Behalf Of =3D
Hoyt, Mike<br class=3D3D"">Sent: = February-04-16 9:01=20 AM<br class=3D3D"">To: =3D
<a href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.fr= ers33.com"=20 =3D
class=3D3D"">frers-list@lists.frers33.com= </a><br=20 class=3D3D"">Subject: RE: =3D
[frers-list]Cutlass Bearing = Replacement=20 Advice<br class=3D3D""><br =3D
class=3D3D"">Just reread = my last post.=20  Was a bit tongue in cheek. =3D
 We = accidentally<br=20 class=3D3D"">caught a line and the resulting =3D
repairs had the = strut removed=20 and during<br class=3D3D"">that cutlass =3D
bearing and shaft = replacement=20 (due to wear)<br class=3D3D""><br = =3D
class=3D3D"">Mike<br=20 class=3D3D"">Persistence<br class=3D3D"">Halifax<br=20 =3D
class=3D3D""><br class=3D3D"">-----Original = Message-----<br=20 class=3D3D"">From: =3D
<a href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list-ad= min@lists.frers33.com"=20 =3D
class=3D3D"">frers-list-admin@lists= .frers33.com</a><br=20 class=3D3D"">[<a =3D
href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list-ad= min@lists.frers33.com"=20 =3D
class=3D3D"">mailto:frers-list-= admin@lists.frers33.com</a>]=20 On Behalf Of =3D
Hoyt, Mike<br class=3D3D"">Sent: Wednesday, = February 03,=20 2016 8:18 PM<br =3D
class=3D3D"">To: <a href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.fr= ers33.com"=20 =3D
class=3D3D"">frers-list@lists.frers33.com= </a><br=20 class=3D3D"">Subject: RE: =3D
[frers-list]Cutlass Bearing = Replacement=20 Advice<br class=3D3D""><br =3D
class=3D3D"">Wrap a line = around prop and=20 bend strut. That way while you =3D
are paying<br = class=3D3D"">someone to=20 remove strut to fix it everything is =3D
easy. Also super = expensive.<br=20 class=3D3D"">Never had to remove rudder<br = =3D
class=3D3D""><br=20 class=3D3D"">The downside was that only was cutlass bearing = =3D
worn but so=20 was shaft at same<br class=3D3D"">place. New shift was $1200 = =3D
CAD.<br=20 class=3D3D""><br class=3D3D"">Mike<br = class=3D3D"">Persistence<br=20 =3D
class=3D3D"">Halifax, NS<br=20 =3D
class=3D3D"">________________________________________<br=20 class=3D3D"">From: =3D
<a href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list-ad= min@lists.frers33.com"=20 =3D
class=3D3D"">frers-list-admin@lists= .frers33.com</a><br=20 class=3D3D"">[<a =3D
href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list-ad= min@lists.frers33.com"=20 =3D
class=3D3D"">frers-list-admin@lists= .frers33.com</a>]=20 on behalf of Arthur =3D
Kelley<br class=3D3D"">[<a = href=3D3D"mailto:akelley@optonline.net"= =20 =3D
class=3D3D"">akelley@optonline.net</a>= ]<br=20 class=3D3D"">Sent: February 3, =3D
2016 7:55 PM<br = class=3D3D"">To: <a=20 =3D
href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.fr= ers33.com"=20 =3D
class=3D3D"">frers-list@lists.frers33.com= </a><br=20 class=3D3D"">Subject: Re: =3D
[frers-list]Cutlass Bearing = Replacement=20 Advice<br class=3D3D""><br =3D
class=3D3D"">My yard = wanted to cut and=20 replace the shaft, but similar =3D
price.<br = class=3D3D""><br=20 class=3D3D"">I replaced mine myself without =3D
removing the = shaft. Cost me=20 about $50 I<br class=3D3D"">think. This is the =3D
professional = tool to do=20 the job. <a href=3D3D"http://www.strutpro.com/" =3D
class=3D3D"">http://www.strutpro.com/</a><br = class=3D3D""><br=20 class=3D3D"">If =3D
you poke about on the Internet there are plans = to build=20 the tool<br =3D
class=3D3D"">yourself.  It's nothing = more than a=20 couple of plates, =3D
one with a 1" hole<br = class=3D3D"">(remove prop=20 anyway) and the other with =3D
a 1" slot to slide over the = leading<br=20 class=3D3D"">side. A couple of =3D
hefty threaded rods and a = sleeve, which is=20 the trickiest<br =3D
class=3D3D"">part to size. Here is a video = <a=20 =3D
href=3D3D"https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DGZQHLvUUyuE#"=20 =3D
class=3D3D"">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3DGZQHLvUUyuE#</a>&= lt;br=20 =3D
class=3D3D""><br class=3D3D"">Another club member needed = to do the=20 same job =3D
and he's a machinist. I<br class=3D3D"">provided = the plans,=20 threaded rods =3D
and nuts and he made the plates and sleeve<br=20 class=3D3D"">(collet) out of =3D
scraps.<br = class=3D3D""><br=20 class=3D3D"">2 set screws on one side, don't =3D
remember which, = came out=20 easily but I was<br class=3D3D"">prepared for the = =3D
worst.<br=20 class=3D3D""><br class=3D3D"">I think it only took me an hour = or=20 =3D
two.<br class=3D3D""><br class=3D3D"">Art<br=20 class=3D3D""><br class=3D3D"">On =3D
Feb 3, 2016, at 5:43 = PM, mart=3DEDn=20 contal<br class=3D3D""><<a =3D
href=3D3D"mailto:martin06@contal.ca"=20 class=3D3D"">martin06@contal.ca</a>&l= t;<a=3D
href=3D3D"mailto:martin06@contal.ca"=20 =3D
class=3D3D"">>>?">mailto:martin06@contal.ca</a= >>>=20 wrote:<br class=3D3D""><br =3D
class=3D3D"">Hi everyone, = I'm re-posting=20 this message since I've been =3D
having some issues<br = class=3D3D"">with my=20 frers-list registration. Hope =3D
it'll work now:<br = class=3D3D""><br=20 class=3D3D"">My surveyor indicated that =3D
I need to replace the = cutlass=20 bearing and the<br class=3D3D"">shipyard =3D
where "austral" = currently=20 stays is quoting me the following:<br =3D
class=3D3D""><br=20 class=3D3D"">"Remove rudder to remove shaft, pull prop and = =3D
shaft and=20 replace cutlass<br class=3D3D"">bearing:12 hrs of labour = =3D
US$1,276 total=20 ".<br class=3D3D"">I'm told that they cannot remove the = =3D
shaft without=20 removing the rudder.<br class=3D3D""><br = class=3D3D"">Knowing =3D
that=20 my rudder seems to be OK and having read the many posts about<br=20 =3D
class=3D3D"">rudder bearing issues, etc. I rather leave it = undisturbed.=20 =3D
So, I've gone<br class=3D3D"">through all the frers-list = archives since=20 =3D
2004 to this date, as well as the<br class=3D3D"">FAQs in = search of=20 tips. =3D
Seems to me that it shouldn't be necessary to remove<br=20 class=3D3D"">the =3D
rudder at all.<br class=3D3D""><br=20 class=3D3D"">If anyone who went through =3D
this work could share = some advice=20 and experience<br class=3D3D"">it'll be =3D
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------=_NextPart_000_0046_01D162C0.0498F130-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Feb 9 03:39:07 2016 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?mart=EDn_contal?=) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 22:39:07 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Cradle Dimensions Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01D162C1.8592B6D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to bug you all again for more advice (Oh, these newbies!). I have to order pretty soon a cradle for my boat. I do have a couple suppliers from Bill and Mike, but there's also a local guy who has done a few for some of our club boats. Question: 1) Would anyone have the dimensions for a proper Frers 33 cradle? 2) Should it be a 6 or 4 pad cradle? Thank you, Martin ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01D162C1.8592B6D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry = to bug you all=20 again for more advice (Oh, these newbies!).

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------=_NextPart_000_004D_01D162C1.8592B6D0-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Tue Feb 9 12:48:00 2016 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Bill Thompson) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2016 07:48:00 -0500 Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 Cradle Dimensions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22F03933-B17D-4EAB-88BA-AC9E99C2A2F9@videotron.ca> --Boundary_(ID_TQBgllhqaNQ/0BKaYFv11Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable 6 pad. Allows you to drop 1 when doing bottom work. Will send dimensions soo= n Bill Thompson 514 942-6709 > On Feb 8, 2016, at 10:39 PM, mart=C3=ADn contal wrote= : >=20 > Sorry to bug you all again for more advice (Oh, these newbies!). > =20 > I have to order pretty soon a cradle for my boat. I do have a couple suppl= iers from Bill and Mike, but there's also a local guy who has done a few for= some of our club boats. > =20 > Question: > =20 > 1) Would anyone have the dimensions for a proper Frers 33 cradle? > =20 > 2) Should it be a 6 or 4 pad cradle? > =20 > Thank you, > Martin --Boundary_(ID_TQBgllhqaNQ/0BKaYFv11Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

6 pad. Allows you to drop 1 when doing= bottom work. Will send dimensions soon

Bill Thompson

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I ha= ve to=20 order pretty soon a cradle for my boat. I do have a couple=20 suppliers from Bill and Mike, but there's also a local guy who has done= a=20 few for some of our club boats.

Ques= tion:

1) W= ould anyone have=20 the dimensions for a proper Frers 33 cradle?

2) S= hould it be a 6=20 or 4 pad cradle?

Than= k=20 you,

Mart= in

= --Boundary_(ID_TQBgllhqaNQ/0BKaYFv11Q)-- From frers-list@lists.frers33.com Sun Feb 14 18:00:23 2016 From: frers-list@lists.frers33.com (Scott Marino) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [frers-list]Frers 33 - 2016 Winter Skipper's Meeting References: <737627279.4053331.1455472823561.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <737627279.4053331.1455472823561.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> The Frers 33 Class Association invites you to attend the "2016 Winter Skipper's Meeting". Come shake off the chills of winter while participating in heart warming discussions from the 2015 racing season and enjoy the camaraderie of your fellow skippers. Date: Saturday, March 19, 2016 Time: 1:00pm to 5:00pm Location: Chez "Risoluto" -The home of Scott & Susan Marino 353 Curtis Ave, Stratford, CT 06615 Who: The meeting is open to all Frers' Captain's and their first mates. Additional guests are welcome with an RSVP. Details: A light buffet lunch and snacks will be served and the bar will be open. Travel: 95 Northbound take exit 30. 95 southbound, take exit 31. Riders on the Port Jeff Ferry can call Scott for pick up in Bridgeport at the Ferry dock. RSVP: RSVP by 3/12/16 using this e-mail chain or call Scott at 203-885-6607 Agenda: Tales of racing woe and wonder form the 2015 Season. Special races, venues and rules for 2016. PHRF rating review discussion. 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